Crouch
Example of crouching neutral guard not blocking? I haven't seen one. //WuMing
- I'm not aware of any situations where D/B and D differ when it comes to blocking lows. RogerDodger (talk) 11:37, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
How long to activate?
Testing neutral guard after being -9, 16f moves are not blocked while 17f move is, so neutral guard activation seems to take 8 frames at least in most cases. //WuMing
- With Lee, against bot set to «Stand» for «CPU Opponent Action 1» and «Neutral Guard» for «CPU Opponent Action 2»:
- After d/b+2 (+7), ws3 (i10) is blocked, implying it takes fewer than 3 frames.
- After 2,1 (+6), 1 (i10) hits but 4 (i11) is blocked, implying it takes 4 frames.
- After 1 (+8), d/f+1 (i13) hits but 3 (i14) is blocked, implying it takes 5 frames.
- After d/b+3+4 (+4), 3 (i14) hits but d/f+2 (i15) is blocked, implying it takes 10 frames.
- After d/b+3 (+2), 3 (i14) hits but d/f+2 (i15) is blocked, implying it takes 12 frames.
- After d+2 (+8), f+3+4 (i30) hits, implying it takes more than 22 frames.
- So the time it takes for neutral guard to activate is wildly variable and depends on the blockstun/recovery animation. Thus there isn't a meaningful way to say "neutral guard takes this long to activate".
- Btw, you sign talk pages by typing
~~~~, which for me produces: RogerDodger (talk) 11:37, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
Forced standing guard
- As an example of this forced standing guard position, Geese can setup an unavoidable Rashomon Rage Art through the use of gaining +20 frames either through a meaty enough running armor tackle or an EX Shippuuken air fireball while in Max Mode.
- Another example is Hwoarang's RFF f+3 preventing crouching for 12 frames on block, guaranteeing attempt at LFS 2+3 throw.
- Tested this and LFS.f+2+3 can be ducked after RFF.f+3 hits. Can't find a way to make Geese armored shoulder into R.d/b+1+2 guaranteed either. Max mode air fireball hitstun isn't guardable recovery so obviously guaranteed there if +20. RogerDodger (talk) 08:32, 12 October 2021 (UTC)