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{{Kazumi}}
{{Kazumi}}
{{Infobox tricky moves
|slide={{Plainlist|
* [[Kazumi combos#Float|ws4]]
* [[Kazumi combos#Float|ws4,4]]
* cc [[Kazumi combos#Float|f+3,F]]
* cc [[Kazumi combos#Float|df+4]]}}
|generic-a=1+2
|alisa-a=[[Kazumi combos#Float|f+3+4~2]]
|alisa-b={{Plainlist|
* [[Kazumi combos#Float|3,1]]
* [[Kazumi combos#Float|uf+4]] ''(can whiff)''}}
|king-a={{Plainlist|
* FC.d+3
* f,F+4 or f,f~d+2<ref>Neither are guaranteed. If King gets up right away, he gets hit by f,F+4. OTG.d+2 only comes out if d+2 is input after the db+4 has recovered, so both timings need to be delayed slightly. If f,F+4 whiffs he has a small window to whiff punish with a FDFT.3 clean hit launch. f+3+4~2 can launch him for standing as well but it whiffs to [[quickstand]] into crouching guard.</ref>}}
|asuka-a={{Plainlist|
* b+4<ref name="asuka-b3">b+4 is almost guaranteed vs Asuka b+3โ€”never whiffs when off-axis and can only whiff at absolute tip range. df+2 is more consistent than f+3,F~2 but much riskier. Awareness of spacing is critical. All punishers are more likely to hit when off-axis.</ref> ''(can whiff)''
* df+2<ref name="asuka-b3"/> ''(can whiff)''
* f+3,F~2<ref name="asuka-b3"/> ''(can whiff)''
* f,F+2<ref name="r-ff2">In rage, replace with R.f,F+1+2.</ref><ref name="ff2-sus">Not guaranteed at tip range. Often requires a few frames of dash to close the gap.</ref> ''(can whiff)''}}
|claudio-a={{Plainlist|
* wr1
* f,F+2<ref name="r-ff2"/> ''(can whiff)''}}
|devil-jin-a=f,f uf+4 ''(deep dash)''
|devil-jin-b={{Plainlist|
* df+1,2
* uf+2}}
|eddy-a={{Plainlist|
* uf,n,4
* ws2}}
|eddy-b=[[Kazumi combos#Float|df+1]]
|heihachi-a=f,F+2<ref name="r-ff2"/><ref name="ff2-sus"/> ''(hard)''
|jack-7-a=f,F+4 ''(deep dash)''
|jack-7-b=f,F+2<ref name="r-ff2"/><ref name="ff2-sus"/> ''(hard)''
|law-a={{Plainlist|
* df+1,2
* 1+2}}
|leroy-a=''(None)''
|lucky-chloe-a={{Plainlist|
* [[Kazumi combos#Float|df+1]]<2<ref>The last hit of df+1,2 can be delayed a lot and still punish BT.f+3+4,3+4, giving more time for a float confirm.</ref>
* ssr f,F+4<ref>Generic [[Lucky Chloe counterplay]] step into dash attack. Timing requires practice.</ref>}}
|paul-a=f,F+2<ref name="r-ff2"/><ref name="ff2-sus"/> ''(hard)''
|xiaoyu-a=''(None)''
|xiaoyu-b=[[Kazumi combos#Back-turned opponent|uf+4]]<ref>uf+4 can't be parried since it's a knee, and Xiaoyu going into a roll again doesn't make her floating fast enough. Gets a normal combo if she does a move or holds B.</ref>
|xiaoyu-c={{Plainlist|
* cc f+3,F
* cc df+4}}
}}
{{Navbox punishers}}


<div style="display: flex; flex-flow: row wrap; gap: 0 1em;>
{| class="punishers"
{| class="wikitable"
| colspan="4"ย  class="table-cat" | Standing
|+ Standing
|-
|-
! Enemy !! Move !! Damage !! [[Movelist#Hit|Frames]]
! Enemy !! Move !! Damage !! [[Movelist#Hit|Frames]]
|-
|-
| rowspan="2" | -10
| rowspan="2" | -10
| 1,1,2 || 25 || +20a (+15a)
| 1,1,2 || 25 || +20a (+15)
|-
|-
| 1,2,2 || 27 || +4
| 1,2,2 || 27 || +4
|-
|-
| -12 || 1+2,F || 30 || +9
| -12 || 1+2,F || 30 || +9 RSS
|-
|-
| -13 || d/f+1,2 || 31 || +13a
| -13 || df+1,2 || 31 || +13a
|-
|-
| -15 || u/f+4 || 13 (58) || [[Kazumi combos#Staples|+29a (+19a)]]
| rowspan="2" | -15
|}
| uf+4<ref name="short-range">Often whiffs due to range.</ref> || 13 ([[Kazumi combos#Staples|58]]) || +29a (+19)
ย 
|-
{| class="wikitable"
| 3,2 || 29 ([[Kazumi combos#Mini-combos|50]]) || +24d
|+ Extra range
|-
|-
! Enemy !! Move !! Damage !! [[Movelist#Hit|Frames]]
| -18 || df+2 || 29 ([[Kazumi combos#Staples|62]]) || +41a (+23)
|-ย 
| colspan="4" class="table-cat" | Crouching
|-
|-
| -14 || f,f+2 || 37 || +0d
| -10 || FC.1 || 5 || +6
|-
|-
| -15 || 3,2 || 29 (50)
| -11 || ws4,4 || 18 || +6
|-
|-
| -15 || b+2 || 12 || +4
| -12 || ws1,2<ref name="short-range"/> || 35 || +10a (+1)
|-
|-
| -18 || f+3,F || 13 (58) || [[Kazumi combos#Staples|+16a]]
| -14 || ws3,F || 35 || +9 RSS
|}
ย 
{| class="wikitable"
|+ Crouching
|-
|-
! Enemy !! Move !! Damage !! [[Movelist#Hit|Frames]]
| -15 || uf+4<ref name="short-range"/> || 13 ([[Kazumi combos#Staples|58]]) || +29a (+19)
|-
|-
| -10 || FC.d+1 || 5 || +6
| -18 || ws2 || 20 ([[Kazumi combos#Staples|65]]) || +28a (+18)
|-
|-
| -11 || ws4,4 || 29 || +13g
| -23 || uf,n,4 || 25 ([[Kazumi combos#Staples|72]]) || +34a (+24)
|-
| colspan="4" class="table-cat" | Back-turned opponent
|-
|-
| -12 || ws1,2 || 35 || +10a (+1a)
| -10
| 1 df+1,2<ref name="special-bts">Sequence can be interrupted Master Raven and Xiaoyu's parry, Geese's Raging Storm, and Yoshimitsu's spin.</ref>
| 38
| +13a<ref name="df1,2-bt">+8d if they don't turn around.</ref>
|-
|-
| -14 || ws3,F || 35 || +9
| -11
| ws4 df+1,2<ref name="special-bts"/>
| 44
| +13a<ref name="df1,2-bt"/>
|-
|-
| -15 || u/f+4 || 13 (58) || [[Kazumi combos#Staples|+29a (+19a)]]
| -12
| 2,1 1+2,F<ref name="special-bts"/><ref>Only works if the opponent is slightly off-axis to Kazumi's left.</ref>
| 50
| +9a<ref>+16a (+7a) if the tiger hits them right in the back.</ref>
|-
|-
| -18 || ws2 || 20 (65) || [[Kazumi combos#Staples|+28a (+18a)]]
| colspan="4" class="table-cat" | Grounded opponent
|-
|-
| -23 || u/f,n,4 || 25 (72) || [[Kazumi combos#Staples|+34a (+24a)]]
| -16 || d+4 || 8 || -2a (-10)
|}
ย 
{| class="wikitable"
|+ Back-turned opponent
|-
|-
! Enemy !! Move !! Damage !! [[Movelist#Hit|Frames]]
| -16 || d+3 || 9 || -3a (-11)
|-
|-
| -10
| -17 || OTG.d+2 || 16 || -2a (-10)
| 1 d/f+1,2<ref name="special-bts">Sequence can be interrupted Master Raven and Xiaoyu's parry, Geese's Raging Storm, and Yoshimitsu's spin</ref>
| 38
| +13a<ref>+8d if they don't turn around after the jab</ref>
|-
|-
| -12
| -36 || f+3+4~3 || 16 ([[Kazumi combos#Mini-combos|32]]) || +15a
| 2,1 1+2,F<ref name="special-bts"/><ref>Only works if the opponent is slightly off-axis to Kazumi's left</ref>
| 50
| +9a<ref>+16a (+7a) if the tiger hits them right in the back</ref>
|}
|}


{| class="wikitable"
{| class="punishers" style="clear: both"
|+ Grounded opponent
| colspan="6" class="table-cat" | Whiff punishers
|-
! Enemy !! Move !! Damage !! [[Movelist#Hit|Frames]]
|-
|-
| -16 || d+4 || 8 || -2a (-10a)
! Move !! Speed !! [[Movelist#Range|Range]] !! Damage !! Risk !! Hitbox
|-
|-
| -16 || d+3 || 9 || -3a (-11a)
| 1,1,2 || i10 || 2.14 || 25 || -3<ref name="hit-confirm">[[Hit confirm]].</ref> || High
|-
|-
| -17 || OG.d+2 || 16 || -2a (-10a)
| 2,1 || i12 || 2.34 || 20 || -5 || High
|-
|-
| -36 || f+3+4 RSS.3 || 16 (32) || [[Kazumi combos#Mini-combos|+15a]]
| df+1,2 || i13 || 2.33 || 31 || -13c || Mid
|-
|-
|}
| df+3 || i14 || 2.66 || 14 || -9 || Mid
ย 
{| class="wikitable"
|+ Whiff
|-
|-
! Move !! Range !! Damage !! [[Movelist#Hit|Frames]] !! Risk
| uf+4 || i15 || 1.74 || 13 ([[Kazumi combos#Staples|58]]) || -13 || Mid
|-
|-
| u/f+4 || 1.74 || 13 (58) || [[Kazumi combos#Staples|+29a (+19a)]] || unsafe
| 3,2 || i15 || 2.53 || 29 ([[Kazumi combos#Mini-combos|50]]) || -29<ref>Duckable high. Can be tricky if you mixup with 3,1.</ref> || Mid
|-
|-
| 1,1,2 || 2.14 || 25 || +20a (+15a) || safe if [[hit confirm]]ed
| f,F+2 || i13(~16+) || 2.79 || 37 || -13 || Mid
|-
|-
| d/f+1,2 || 2.33 || 31 || +13a || safe if hit confirmed
| R.f,F+1+2 || i13(~16+) || 2.79 || 37 ([[Kazumi combos#Staples|83]]) || -12<ref>Safe from pushback.</ref> || Mid
|-
|-
| b+2 || 2.47 || 12 || +4 || safe
| f+3,F || i18 || 2.69 || 13 ([[Kazumi combos#Staples|58]]) || +8 RSS<ref>This a tricky situation but very favorable for opponent, since everything but RSS.2 is interrupted by i12 or faster moves.</ref> || Mid
|-
|-
| 3,2 || 2.53 || 29 (50) || [[Kazumi combos#Mini-combos|+24d]] || safe if hit confirmed
| df+2 || i18 || 2.75 || 29 ([[Kazumi combos#Staples|62]]) || -24 || Mid
|}
|}
</div>


<references/>
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== External links ==
* [https://twitter.com/poultriarch/status/1481125117665378304 Video showing how to punish Asuka's 1,2,3 with df+2 on reaction]

Revision as of 00:17, 21 February 2022

Punishers for tricky moves
Various Slide
Generic FUFT.4 1+2
Alisa
  • b+4,4
  • b+4,4,3+4~1
f+3+4~2
  • b+3+4
  • b+3+4,3+4
db+4
  • FC.d+3
  • f,F+4 or f,f~d+2[1]
Asuka b+3
  • b+4[2] (can whiff)
  • df+2[2] (can whiff)
  • f+3,F~2[2] (can whiff)
  • f,F+2[3][4] (can whiff)
Claudio f+2,2
  • wr1
  • f,F+2[3] (can whiff)
Devil Jin
  • u+4
  • u+4,U~n_1_2_3
f,f uf+4 (deep dash)
R.f,n,d,df+4,3+4
  • df+1,2
  • uf+2
Eddy 3~4
  • uf,n,4
  • ws2
b+3,3 df+1
Heihachi f,F+2 f,F+2[3][4] (hard)
Jack-7 R.b+1+2 f,F+4 (deep dash)
d+1+2 f,F+2[3][4] (hard)
Law db+3+4
  • df+1,2
  • 1+2
Leroy db+1+2 (None)
Lucky Chloe
  • BT.f+3+4,3+4
  • BT.f+3+4,3+4,3+4
Paul
  • d+4,2:1+2
  • qcf+2
f,F+2[3][4] (hard)
Xiaoyu BT.3 (None)
BT.f+3+4,3+4 uf+4[7]
AOP.4~3
  • cc f+3,F
  • cc df+4
Standing
Enemy Move Damage Frames
-10 1,1,2 25 +20a (+15)
1,2,2 27 +4
-12 1+2,F 30 +9 RSS
-13 df+1,2 31 +13a
-15 uf+4[8] 13 (58) +29a (+19)
3,2 29 (50) +24d
-18 df+2 29 (62) +41a (+23)
Crouching
-10 FC.1 5 +6
-11 ws4,4 18 +6
-12 ws1,2[8] 35 +10a (+1)
-14 ws3,F 35 +9 RSS
-15 uf+4[8] 13 (58) +29a (+19)
-18 ws2 20 (65) +28a (+18)
-23 uf,n,4 25 (72) +34a (+24)
Back-turned opponent
-10 1 df+1,2[9] 38 +13a[10]
-11 ws4 df+1,2[9] 44 +13a[10]
-12 2,1 1+2,F[9][11] 50 +9a[12]
Grounded opponent
-16 d+4 8 -2a (-10)
-16 d+3 9 -3a (-11)
-17 OTG.d+2 16 -2a (-10)
-36 f+3+4~3 16 (32) +15a
Whiff punishers
Move Speed Range Damage Risk Hitbox
1,1,2 i10 2.14 25 -3[13] High
2,1 i12 2.34 20 -5 High
df+1,2 i13 2.33 31 -13c Mid
df+3 i14 2.66 14 -9 Mid
uf+4 i15 1.74 13 (58) -13 Mid
3,2 i15 2.53 29 (50) -29[14] Mid
f,F+2 i13(~16+) 2.79 37 -13 Mid
R.f,F+1+2 i13(~16+) 2.79 37 (83) -12[15] Mid
f+3,F i18 2.69 13 (58) +8 RSS[16] Mid
df+2 i18 2.75 29 (62) -24 Mid
  1. โ†‘ Neither are guaranteed. If King gets up right away, he gets hit by f,F+4. OTG.d+2 only comes out if d+2 is input after the db+4 has recovered, so both timings need to be delayed slightly. If f,F+4 whiffs he has a small window to whiff punish with a FDFT.3 clean hit launch. f+3+4~2 can launch him for standing as well but it whiffs to quickstand into crouching guard.
  2. โ†‘ 2.0 2.1 2.2 b+4 is almost guaranteed vs Asuka b+3โ€”never whiffs when off-axis and can only whiff at absolute tip range. df+2 is more consistent than f+3,F~2 but much riskier. Awareness of spacing is critical. All punishers are more likely to hit when off-axis.
  3. โ†‘ 3.0 3.1 3.2 3.3 3.4 In rage, replace with R.f,F+1+2.
  4. โ†‘ 4.0 4.1 4.2 4.3 Not guaranteed at tip range. Often requires a few frames of dash to close the gap.
  5. โ†‘ The last hit of df+1,2 can be delayed a lot and still punish BT.f+3+4,3+4, giving more time for a float confirm.
  6. โ†‘ Generic Lucky Chloe counterplay step into dash attack. Timing requires practice.
  7. โ†‘ uf+4 can't be parried since it's a knee, and Xiaoyu going into a roll again doesn't make her floating fast enough. Gets a normal combo if she does a move or holds B.
  8. โ†‘ 8.0 8.1 8.2 Often whiffs due to range.
  9. โ†‘ 9.0 9.1 9.2 Sequence can be interrupted Master Raven and Xiaoyu's parry, Geese's Raging Storm, and Yoshimitsu's spin.
  10. โ†‘ 10.0 10.1 +8d if they don't turn around.
  11. โ†‘ Only works if the opponent is slightly off-axis to Kazumi's left.
  12. โ†‘ +16a (+7a) if the tiger hits them right in the back.
  13. โ†‘ Hit confirm.
  14. โ†‘ Duckable high. Can be tricky if you mixup with 3,1.
  15. โ†‘ Safe from pushback.
  16. โ†‘ This a tricky situation but very favorable for opponent, since everything but RSS.2 is interrupted by i12 or faster moves.

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