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This page is for Tekken 8. For Tekken 7, see Lidia tech (Tekken 7).

Stance Situations

Summarized from the Lidia Stance Dance spreadsheet, with further corrections and tests.

Note: All situations assume i3 parry / i6 flash / i7 power crush / i8 Rage Art armor (also NSS flash) on immediate timing. Delayed options may change these results, particularly in the case of armor, parry, flash, and Rage Art. All fully punishable transitions are not included, e.g. -8 CAT (1,2,2 on block), -11 HRS (db+3 on block). Please check the spreadsheet for more details, as this is only a summary.

Everything (except slow moves) basically guaranteed situations (all moves on hit):

3+4 (+23g CAT)
f,F+2 (+15 HRS)
qcf+1+2,2 (+24g WLF)
HRS.1 (+16g WLF)
CAT.1+2 (+27g WLF)

+5 HRS (f,F+2 on block)

Everything loses to Rage Art!
HRS.1 beats attacks and movement
HRS.3 beats crouch jab and movement
HRS.1+2 beats parry and armor
KEY MOVE: HRS.2 when they stop attacking and start ducking to avoid HRS.1/HRS.1+2
(Vs. Yoshimitsu: Everything loses to flash except HRS.1/HRS.3)

+7 HRS (db+3 on hit)

Everything loses to Rage Art!
HRS.1/HRS.2/HRS.3 beats all attacks and stepping
HRS.1+2 still beats armor and parries
(Vs. Yoshimitsu: HRS.1/HRS.3 beat flash and spin)

+0 CAT (all non-punishable blocked CAT transitions)

Opponent can interrupt all options with i12 or faster, as CAT.3 is i13.

+8 CAT (1,2,2 / ws4,2 on hit)

CAT.2/CAT.3 beats armor and RA
CAT.3 beats movement
CAT.4 beats parry but loses to crouch jab
(Vs. Yoshimitsu: CAT.3 beats flash and spin)

+11 CAT (2,2 / df+2 / ws1,2 / uf+1.P on hit)

CAT.1/CAT.1+2 lose to parries (CAT.2 loses to i3 parries)
CAT.4 loses to RA
CAT.2/CAT.3 lose to crouch jab (CAT.4 CH launches these)
Take your pick otherwise!
(Vs. Yoshimitsu: Everything beats flash, but only CAT.3 beats spin)

+1 WLF (HRS.1 on block)

Opponent can interrupt all options with i13 or faster, as WLF.2 is i15.

+8 WLF (HRS.4 on block)

Everything loses to armor!
WLF.2 beats attacks, RA, and movement
WLF.3 only beats attacks
WLF.1/WLF.4 beats parries but can be interrupted
(Vs. Yoshimitsu: WLF.1/WLF.4 beat flash, but everything loses to spin)

+8 WLF forced crouch (CAT.4 on hit)

Same as +8 WLF, except...

WLF.4 beats armor
(Vs. Yoshimitsu: WLF.1 beats flash, WLF.2 beats spin)

+1 HAE (H.1+2 on block)

Opponent can interrupt all options with i11 or faster, as HAE.2 is i13.

+5 HAE (H.f,f,F+1 on block)

Everything loses to Rage Art!
HAE.1 beats parry
HAE.2 beats attacks
HAE.1+2 beats movement
(Vs Yoshimitsu: HAE.1 beats flash, everything loses to spin)

+8 HAE (HRS.2 on hit)

Opponent cannot press at all (everything beats attacks and movement)
HAE.1 loses to parries, armor, and RA
HAE.2 only loses to parries
HAE.1+2 only loses to RA
(Vs Yoshimitsu: HAE.1/HAE.2 beat flash, but everything loses to spin)

+10 HAE (Heat Smash on block)

Same as +8 HAE, except...

HAE.1+2 beats RA as well, making it fully uninterruptable
(Vs. Yoshimitsu: Everything beats flash, HAE.1+2 beats spin)

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 Summarized from the [https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1BtGOZ6lrecGYXg63T8m4j824YmtVFbItS4IXk5pEEh8/edit?gid=52378545#gid=52378545 Lidia Stance Dance spreadsheet], with further corrections and tests.
-Note: All situations assume i3 parry /  i6 flash / i7 power crush / i8 Rage Art armor (also NSS flash) on immediate timing. Please check the spreadsheet for more details, as this is only a summary. Delayed options may change these results, particularly in the case of armor, parry, and Rage Art. All fully punishable transitions are not included, e.g. -8 CAT (1,2,2 on block), -11 HRS (db+3 on block).
+Note: All situations assume i3 parry /  i6 flash / i7 power crush / i8 Rage Art armor (also NSS flash) on immediate timing. Delayed options may change these results, particularly in the case of armor, parry, flash, and Rage Art. All fully punishable transitions are not included, e.g. -8 CAT (1,2,2 on block), -11 HRS (db+3 on block). Please check the spreadsheet for more details, as this is only a summary.
 '''Everything (except slow moves) basically guaranteed situations (all moves on hit):'''
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 * CAT.1/CAT.1+2 lose to parries (CAT.2 loses to i3 parries)
 * CAT.4 loses to RA
-* POTENTIAL BUG: CAT.3 loses to crouch jab, despite the frames indicating that it shouldn't. Note that CAT.2 does counterhit crouch jabs! This means that a delayed crouch jab will beat both high options. If they do this, launch them with CAT.4 or take your free mids.
+* CAT.2/CAT.3 lose to crouch jab (CAT.4 CH launches these)
 * Take your pick otherwise!
 * (Vs. Yoshimitsu: Everything beats flash, but only CAT.3 beats spin)