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| -12 || b+1,2 || 31 || +7
| -12 || b+1,2 || 31 || +7
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| -13 || d/f+1,2 || 35 ||
| -13 || df+1,2 || 35 ||
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| -14 || b+3,1 || 37 ||
| -14 || b+3,1<ref>b+3,1 is generally worse than df+1,2 unless they are near a wall; it does similar damage and leaves the opponent too far away for Noctis to reliably continue his pressure (you are too far to threaten sidesteps with ff1+2 and so the opponent can simply evade wr1+2). However, this reliably wallsplats at the wall, so in that situation it is superior.</ref> || 37 ||
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| -15 || df+2 || 20 ([[Noctis combos#Staples|?]]) ||
| -15 || df+2 || 20 ([[Noctis combos#Staples|74]]) ||
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| colspan="4" class="table-cat" | Crouching
| colspan="4" class="table-cat" | Crouching
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| -11 || ws4<ref name="p"/> || 18 || +6
| -10 || fc1 || 10 || +6
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| colspan="4" class="table-cat" | Back-turned opponent
| -11 || ws4 || 15 || +5
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| -10 || 1,2,3<ref name="p"/> || 40 || +10a (+1)
| -13 || ws1,2 || 33 || +2c
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| colspan="4" class="table-cat" | Grounded opponent
| -14 || ws3,2 || 37 || +4d
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| -16 || d+3<ref name="p"/> || 9 || -3a (-11)
| -15 || ws2,2 || 31 ([[Noctis combos#Staples|68]]) || +5
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{| class="punishers" style="clear: both"
| colspan="6" class="table-cat" | Whiff punishers
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! Move !! Speed !! [[Movelist#Range|Range]] !! Damage !! Risk !! Hitbox
| -16 || FC.df1<ref>Generally inferior to ws2,2, but wallsplats more consistently.</ref> || 25 || +5
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| 1,2<ref name="p">Example. Remove after substitution.</ref> || i10 || 2.00 || 15 || -1 || High<ref>Use references to add more extensive notes or details. Don't add new columns and don't fill them out with entire paragraphs.</ref>
| -17 || uf+3(,u) || 27 ([[Noctis combos#Staples|74]]) || +5
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== Old table (TODO: copy to above) ==
 
{| class="wikitable"
|+ Extra
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! Move Input !! Speed !! Damage !! Frame Advantage
| -18 || b+4,1+2<ref>Generally inferior to uf3, but it always kills when used to punish rage arts.</ref> || 44 || +5
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| F1+2 || i16 || 24 DMG || Use when DF2 whiffs
| colspan="4" class="table-cat" | Back-turned opponent
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| b4,1+2 || i18 || 44 DMG || Best punish for Rage Arts, always kills.
| -10 || 1,2,2 || 27 || +1
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| F2 || i20 || 33 DMG || Projectile, use when anything else would whiff
| colspan="4" class="table-cat" | Grounded opponent
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| -16 || d+3<ref>Example. Remove after substitution.</ref> || 9 || -3a (-11)
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{| class="wikitable"
{| class="punishers" style="clear: both"
|+ Crouch Punishers
| colspan="6" class="table-cat" | Whiff punishers
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! Move Input !! Speed !! Damage !! Frame Advantage
! Move !! Speed !! [[Movelist#Range|Range]] !! Damage !! Risk !! Hitbox
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| WS4 || i11 || 15 DMG || +5
| df+2<ref>Go-to whiff punish in most situations. Relatively fast and leads to some of Noctis' highest damage combos.</ref> || i16 || 3.05 || 20 ([[Noctis combos#Staples|76]]) || -20a || Mid
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| WS1,2  || i13 || 31 DMG || +2 (forces opponent into crouch)
| f+1+2<ref>Use f+1+2 whenever out of df2 range. Away from a wall, the opponent can simply backroll and your pressure ends, although Noctis does thrive at longer ranges. Near a wall, the opponent cannot backroll and the move will wallsplat if close enough.</ref> || i16 || 3.68 || 24 || -20 || Mid
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| WS2,2 || i15 || LAUNCH || Screw
| f+2<ref>f+2 is a projectile to be used whenever out of f+1+2 range. Leaves you much closer than f1+2 and does more damage but is slower.</ref> || i20 || 5.89 || 33 || -9 || Mid
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| FC DF1 || i16 || 25 DMG || Only use for wallsplat, otherwise do WS2,2
| R.f+2+3<ref>Projectile. Knocks opponent back to maximum distance and wallsplats. Bit of a waste to use it as a whiff punish unless it'll kill.</ref> || i18 || 6.43 || 40 || +2 || Mid
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| UF3 || i17 || LAUNCH ||
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Punishment notes:
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Generally, DF1,2 is gonna be better than the i14 punishes unless the opponent is at the wall where B3,1 gives a wallsplat into a wall combo.
 
B3,1 is generally a pretty bad punish in the open as it pushes the opponent far away while allowing them to backroll, putting you in a situation where they can step your WR1+2 after wake-up while you’re too far away to comfortably threaten their Side Step with FF1+2.
 
FC DF1 can be used as a punish against stagger lows in situations where WS2,2 doesn’t give a clean wallsplat.

Revision as of 22:31, 11 September 2022

Noctis
Punishers for tricky moves
Various Slide {{{slide}}}
Generic FUFT.4 {{{generic-a}}}
Alisa
  • b+4,4
  • b+4,4,3+4~1
 {{{alisa-a}}}
  • b+3+4
  • b+3+4,3+4
 {{{alisa-b}}}
db+4 {{{king-a}}}
Asuka b+3 {{{asuka-a}}}
Claudio f+2,2 {{{claudio-a}}}
Devil Jin
  • u+4
  • u+4,U~n_1_2_3
 {{{devil-jin-a}}}
R.f,n,d,df+4,3+4 {{{devil-jin-b}}}
Eddy 3~4 {{{eddy-a}}}
b+3,3 {{{eddy-b}}}
Heihachi f,F+2 {{{heihachi-a}}}
Jack-7 R.b+1+2 {{{jack-7-a}}}
d+1+2 {{{jack-7-b}}}
Law db+3+4 {{{law-a}}}
Leroy db+1+2 {{{leroy-a}}}
Lucky Chloe
  • BT.f+3+4,3+4
  • BT.f+3+4,3+4,3+4
 {{{lucky-chloe-a}}}
Paul
  • d+4,2:1+2
  • qcf+2
 {{{paul-a}}}
Xiaoyu BT.3 {{{xiaoyu-a}}}
BT.f+3+4,3+4 {{{xiaoyu-b}}}
AOP.4~3 {{{xiaoyu-c}}}
Standing
Enemy Move Damage Frames
-10 1,2,2 27 +1
-12 b+1,2 31 +7
-13 df+1,2 35
-14 b+3,1[1] 37
-15 df+2 20 (74)
Crouching
-10 fc1 10 +6
-11 ws4 15 +5
-13 ws1,2 33 +2c
-14 ws3,2 37 +4d
-15 ws2,2 31 (68) +5
-16 FC.df1[2] 25 +5
-17 uf+3(,u) 27 (74) +5
-18 b+4,1+2[3] 44 +5
Back-turned opponent
-10 1,2,2 27 +1
Grounded opponent
-16 d+3[4] 9 -3a (-11)
Whiff punishers
Move Speed Range Damage Risk Hitbox
df+2[5] i16 3.05 20 (76) -20a Mid
f+1+2[6] i16 3.68 24 -20 Mid
f+2[7] i20 5.89 33 -9 Mid
R.f+2+3[8] i18 6.43 40 +2 Mid
  1. ↑ b+3,1 is generally worse than df+1,2 unless they are near a wall; it does similar damage and leaves the opponent too far away for Noctis to reliably continue his pressure (you are too far to threaten sidesteps with ff1+2 and so the opponent can simply evade wr1+2). However, this reliably wallsplats at the wall, so in that situation it is superior.
  2. ↑ Generally inferior to ws2,2, but wallsplats more consistently.
  3. ↑ Generally inferior to uf3, but it always kills when used to punish rage arts.
  4. ↑ Example. Remove after substitution.
  5. ↑ Go-to whiff punish in most situations. Relatively fast and leads to some of Noctis' highest damage combos.
  6. ↑ Use f+1+2 whenever out of df2 range. Away from a wall, the opponent can simply backroll and your pressure ends, although Noctis does thrive at longer ranges. Near a wall, the opponent cannot backroll and the move will wallsplat if close enough.
  7. ↑ f+2 is a projectile to be used whenever out of f+1+2 range. Leaves you much closer than f1+2 and does more damage but is slower.
  8. ↑ Projectile. Knocks opponent back to maximum distance and wallsplats. Bit of a waste to use it as a whiff punish unless it'll kill.
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