| Lili |
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| Counterplay (Tekken 8) |
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Overview
Without frequent sidestepping, fighting Lili can be an absolute pain. Her pressure would be absolutely top notch if not for how many of her moves are linear and how much she has to give up to try and track you.
A basic gameplan is to step a lot to try and make her delay her moves or use f3 in an attempt to track you, then capitalize by pressing on the openings it creates.
Remember to Ukemi
Lili's Platinum Grace (qcf+3) is an incredibly strong oki tool that heavily punishes opponents that stay on the ground. Though this move even surpasses Kazuya's Steel Pedal in terms of damage, the catch is that Lili does not have a reliable hellsweep or safe launching mid to mix you up on wakeup like a Mishima would, so doing a regular tech recovery is far less scary.
The situation does change in Heat, but the general idea is to always get up against Lili so that she cannot set up her terrifying ground game.
Punishing Backturn
There are three key ways that Lili goes into backturn to establish mix:
- Her 1,1 jab into elbow sequence.
- Two of her plus on hit lows: d1,2 and ff4.
- Her long range backflip launcher, df+3+4.
Though these have varying ranges of advantage frames and thus different ranges of what you can press, she can always try to read your press with her BT powercrush. If your character has a plus on hit low that is ~i18, it can OS this along virtually every other option while keeping your turn. Without that, it's usually a good idea to simply backdash and block, as her best BT moves are a bit short in range and have a chance of whiffingâthey're also at least -11 on block, so you can block the mids and punish.
Another highly important aspect of her backturn is that both the mid and the low are tracking high crushes. Avoid doing highs or stepping! Even the most minus transitions can easily high crush.
- 1,1 and backflip are both -4 on block, so the mix is completely interruptible by ~i16 mids.
- d1,2 into BT on hit makes both low and mid followups lose to crouch jab (can still use BT powercrush).
- ff4 into BT is the most advantageous on hit at +10. This one must be held.
Key Moves to Punish
| Move | Punish | Purpose |
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| Backflip df+3+4 |
Sidewalk (neutral) ~i18 low (on block) Throws can be ducked and crouch jab can lose to BT powercrush |
A very long range mid launcher that is shockingly hard to punish on block. Likely Lili's most contemptuous move, especially in certain matchups. Some characters don't have a good low to negate the powercrush mix, so it may be better to simply stand block and do an i11~13 punish on any of the mid followups. |
| df+3 | Sidestep | A plus on block mid resembling a Mishima splits kick, used to maintain pressure. |
| qcf+3+4 | Duck and punish (OR Interrupt Dew Glide) |
A quick plus on block high, and Lili's best tracking move. Used in her pressure and off of moves that put her into Dew Glide. It has two hits, so watch for both. |
| Piercing Thorn H.f,F+3+4 |
Sidestep/walk OR i11 WS move (float) Must sidestep up while against wall |
A quick dropkick that has many active frames and gives a wall slump in Heat. The wall slump forces crouch, so you must step only one way to get out of her looping it repeatedly. She can also frame trap into this from her advancing elbow move, qcf+1, so be careful and watch her timing. |