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A '''movelist''', often referred to as '''frame data''', is a list of moves a character can do and details of those moves' properties. Movelists vary both in how many of a character's moves they list, and in how detailed those listings are.
A '''movelist''', often referred to as '''frame data''', is a list of moves a character can do and details of those moves' properties. Movelists vary both in how many of a character's moves they list, and in how detailed those listings are.


{{SITENAME}} movelists strive to be as comprehensive and readable as possible while also being dense enough for use as reference material, so reading them can be daunting at first. This page aims to help with that.
{{SITENAME}} movelists strive to be as comprehensive and readable as possible while also being dense enough for use as reference material, so reading them can be daunting at first. But don't lose hope โ€“ you get used to it pretty quickly.


== Layout for {{SITENAME}} movelists ==
For editors, see also:


{{MoveDataHeader}}
* {{tl|Move}} for documentation on how to add or modify move entries in movelists
* [[Wavu:Movelist]] for a standard of how movelist pages are organized


=== Name ===
== Header ==


The name of the move. These are mostly from the in-game movelist.
{{MoveDataHeader}}
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=== Input ===
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The input to perform the move, written in [[Notation|notation]]. This is often used as the move's name.
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For strings, the input of the previous moves in the string is shown but washed out.
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=== Damage ===
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How much [[Damage|damage]] the move does without any modifiers.
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For strings, the damage of the previous moves in the string is shown but washed out.
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=== Hit level ===
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The [[Hit level|hit level]] of the move.
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For strings, the hit level of the previous moves in the string is shown but washed out.
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=== Range ===
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The maximum range recorded of the move hitting a Heihachi on-axis, using the distance value from the in-game frame data display.
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For strings, this is the range of the whole string, including the forward movement between the string.
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For moves with motion inputs, this is the range of the move performed with the fastest input and as much [[Input buffer|buffering]] as possible. In other words, this is the range of the move with the least amount of motion from the input diluting the measurement.
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This measurement is not super accurate. Assume an error of about ยฑ0.03.
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=== Tracking ===
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The tracking score of the move as per [[Tracking#Measurement|Tracking ยง Measurement]] in each direction from the attacker's perspective. Left tracking means the opponent steps right, and vice versa.
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=== Frame advantage ===
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Any number with a + or - in front it indicates [[frame advantage]] from the attacker's perspective, 0 doesn't require an operator.
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These may be modified with the following:
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; a : Opponent will be floated during recovery and will recover grounded ("airborne")
; b : Opponent will recover [[Back-turn state|back turned]]
; c : Opponent will recover [[Crouch|crouching]]
; d : Opponent is grounded during recovery and will recover grounded ("downed") [[needs link]]
; g : Opponent can guard during recovery, they can't perform any moves or movement, but they can block high, mid, and low
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If there are multiple numbers, this indicates that there are differing states of the recovery.
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If a number is in brackets, this indicates when the opponent can do a [[Tech recovery|tech recovery]]. This is not strictly speaking the frame advantage, since it doesn't count how long the tech recovery itself takes.
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If there is no number in brackets, then the opponent can't do a tech recovery.
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Example 1. Kazumi's d/f+1,2 is "-13c" on block. This means:
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* The opponent recovers crouching 13 frames before Kazumi has recovered
* The opponent can't do a tech recovery
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Example 2. Lee's 2,1,3 is "+20a (+11a)" on hit. This means:
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* The opponent is airborne for 20 frames after Lee has recovered
* The opponent can do a tech recovery 11 frames after Lee has recovered
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Example 3. Kazuya's d/f+2 is "+13 +59a" on counter-hit. This means:
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* The opponent is standing for 13 frames after Kazuya has recovered
* The opponent is airborne for the next 46 frames
* The opponent can't do a tech recovery
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If a move has multiple active frames, the frame advantage is for the first active frame.
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However, if a move has many active frames and often doesn't connect on the first, then the frame advantage for the last active frame is also written down, separated by "~". For example, King's f,F+1+2 is "-5~+14" on block.
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==== Block ====
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The frame advantage on block. Blank if the move can't be blocked (e.g., an unblockable or an aerial attack).
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For breakable throws, this is the frame advantage when the throw is broken.
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Can be modified as per [[#Frame_advantage|the above section]].
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==== Hit ====
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The frame advantage on hit. Blank if the move is not an attack (e.g., a stance transition or a cancel).
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For throws, this is the frame advantage after the throw.
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For parries without an attack, this is the frame advantage after a successful parry.
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Can be modified as per [[#Frame_advantage|the above section]].
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==== CH ====
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The frame advantage on counter-hit. Blank if this is the same as on hit.
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Can be modified as per [[#Frame_advantage|the above section]].
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=== Startup ===
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(Also known as "Start up", "Start-up") The frames where the move can't hit, with usually added 1 frame for the active frame.
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Written with "i" in front by convention. This allows one to say, "That move is i13," as shorthand for, "That move hits on frame 13."
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{{FrameTable|
{{Frame|1|1|blue}}
{{Frame|2||blue}}
{{Frame|3||blue}}
{{Frame|4||blue}}
{{Frame|5||blue}}
{{Frame|6||blue}}
{{Frame|7||blue}}
{{Frame|8||blue}}
{{Frame|9||blue}}
{{Frame|10||orange}}
}}
A jab has 9 start up frames, it's able to hit on the 10th frame, and thus is 10f start up. That is useful to keep the consistency in "-10 can be punished by i10"
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If a move has a motion input, the time to do that input is not taken into account. These moves are therefore slower in practice. That is what '''f''' notation stands for. '''12f''' means the move can punish at -12 with perfect execution, even though it only has 9 start up frames. Often just written in brackets, e.g. i10 (12)
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Lei fn4 is i10, but 12f at best
{{FrameTable|
{{Frame|1|f|green}}
{{Frame|2|n|green}}
{{Frame|3|4|blue}}
{{Frame|4||blue}}
{{Frame|5||blue}}
{{Frame|6||blue}}
{{Frame|7||blue}}
{{Frame|8||blue}}
{{Frame|9||blue}}
{{Frame|10||blue}}
{{Frame|11||blue}}
{{Frame|12||orange}}
}}
Heihachi's [[EWGF]] is i11, but 14f at best (also known as PEWGF)
{{FrameTable|
{{Frame|1|f|green}}
{{Frame|2|n|green}}
{{Frame|3|d|green}}
{{Frame|4|d/f2|blue}}
{{Frame|5||blue}}
{{Frame|6||blue}}
{{Frame|7||blue}}
{{Frame|8||blue}}
{{Frame|9||blue}}
{{Frame|10||blue}}
{{Frame|11||blue}}
{{Frame|12||blue}}
{{Frame|13||blue}}
{{Frame|14||orange}}
}}
If a move has multiple active frames, the first and last active frame are separated by "~". For example, "i23~25" means the move hits from frame 23 to frame 25.
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If a move is part of a string, the first frame is not the start of the ''string'', but the start of the ''move''. In this case, the number starts with a "," to try and clarify this. For example, Lee's 1,2 is ",i12", meaning the active frames of the 2 are 12 frames after the active frames of the 1. This is useful for knowing how much time there is to interrupt the string when the previous move whiffed.
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If a move has multiple hits, the active frames for each hit are separated by a space. For example, Lee's f+1+2 is "i13 i29~30", meaning the first hit is active on frame 13 and the second hit is active on frames 29 and 30.
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=== Crush ===
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The frames where the move will [[Crush|crush]], [[Powercrush|powercrush]], or [[Parry|parry]]. The type of crush is written before the number with this shorthand:
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* pc: Powercrush
* js: Jumping state, i.e. low crush
* cs: Crouching state, i.e. high crush
* ps: Parry state
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The first and last frame of the crush are separated by a "~". If either are unknown or unimportant, they're left blank. For example, most hopkicks are "js9~", meaning jumping state from frame 9 until an unknown or unimportant frame.
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The ranges are inclusive. For example, "pc8~19" means powercrush from frame 8 to 19, including frame 8 and 19.
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If a move is part of a string, the first frame is not the start of the ''string'', but the start of the ''move''. In this case, the number starts with a "," to try and clarify this. For example, Lee's 2,1,4 is ",cs16~", meaning crouching state from frame 16 of the 4.
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If a move has multiple crushes, each is separated by a space. For example, Lee's d+3+4 is "cs25~45 js45~", meaning crouching state from frame 25 to 45, then jumping state from frame 45.
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=== Recovery ===
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The number of frames it takes for the move to recover, also known as the whiff frames. This is the time after the active frames where the attacker can't block. It does not include the active frames.
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Written with "r" in front by convention. This allows one to say, "That move is r21," as shorthand for, "That move takes 21 frames to recover."


Includes the state of recovery if not standing, or stance being transitioned to if any, separated by a space. For example, "r24 ZEN" means 24 frames of recovery and a transition to Zenshin. Stance abbreviations are listed in the [[Glossary|glossary]].
The above header, created from {{tl|MoveDataHeader}}, has tooltips for each heading briefly describing what info is in each cell.


=== Notes ===
== Notes ==


Notes are anything that doesn't fit elsewhere.
Many common properties are stuffed into the notes field. The following standard wording is used for these properties (see {{tl|MoveDataIcon}} for colored ones):


This is not an entirely freeform field. Many move properties are fairly common, but not common enough to warrant their own spot in the layout. These notes are written in the following convention:
; {{Homing}}
: Is [[Tracking#Homing|homing]]. Can't be sidestepped.
; {{Tailspin}}
: Will cause a [[screw]] against an aerial opponent. Implies "Balcony break".
; {{Spike}}
: Will [[Spike|spike]] an aerial opponent, preventing them from tech rolling. Implies "Floor break".
; {{FB}}
: Can [[Stage break#Floor breaks|floor break]].
; {{BB}}
: Can [[Stage break#Wall and balcony breaks|wall/balcony break]].
; {{WB}}
: Will cause a [[Attack#Wall bounce|wall bounce]] against standing opponent if he hits the wall. Implies "Balcony break".


; Homing
: Is [[homing]]. Can't be sidestepped.
; Tailspin
: Will cause a [[screw]] against an aerial opponent. Implies "Wall break".
; Spike
: Will [[spike]] an aerial opponent, preventing them from tech rolling. Implies "Floor break".
; Wall break
: Can [[wall break]].
; Floor break
: Can [[floor break]].
; Clean hit {frame advantage}
; Clean hit {frame advantage}
: Can [[clean hit]], will be at frame advantage {frame advantage} if it does.
: Can [[clean hit]], will be at frame advantage {frame advantage} if it does.
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: Input for stance transition can be delayed up to {frames} frames from the ''first'' active frame of the last hit (when non-delayable transitions can no longer be input).
: Input for stance transition can be delayed up to {frames} frames from the ''first'' active frame of the last hit (when non-delayable transitions can no longer be input).
: Example: "Transition input can be delayed 8f"
: Example: "Transition input can be delayed 8f"
; Enter {stance} {frame advantage} with {input} on {block/hit/ch}
: Pressing {input} after the move {block/hit/ch} will transition to {stance} with {frame advantage}
: Example: "Enter RSS +9 with F on hit"
; Enter {stance} {frames on block} {frames on hit} {frames on ch} {total frames} {recovery frames} with {input}
: A generalized version of the above. Frame data should be included in the order shown above.
: Example: "Enter KNK -9 +2 with b"
; Combo from {nth} {hit/CH}
; Combo from {nth} {hit/CH}
: Is guaranteed to hit in neutral if {nth} move in the string {hit/ch}.
: Is guaranteed to hit in neutral if {nth} move in the string {hit/ch}.
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: Opponent is forced to block if input is delayed up to {frames} and the {nth} move in the string is blocked.
: Opponent is forced to block if input is delayed up to {frames} and the {nth} move in the string is blocked.
: Example: "Jail from 1st attack with 4f delay"
: Example: "Jail from 1st attack with 4f delay"
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Latest revision as of 11:12, 3 March 2024

A movelist, often referred to as frame data, is a list of moves a character can do and details of those moves' properties. Movelists vary both in how many of a character's moves they list, and in how detailed those listings are.

Wavu Wiki movelists strive to be as comprehensive and readable as possible while also being dense enough for use as reference material, so reading them can be daunting at first. But don't lose hope โ€“ you get used to it pretty quickly.

For editors, see also:

  • {{Move}} for documentation on how to add or modify move entries in movelists
  • Wavu:Movelist for a standard of how movelist pages are organized

Header

Name
Alt

Input

Hit level
Damage
Range
Left Tracking
Right Tracking
Block
Hit
CH
Startup
States
Recovery
Notes

The above header, created from {{MoveDataHeader}}, has tooltips for each heading briefly describing what info is in each cell.

Notes

Many common properties are stuffed into the notes field. The following standard wording is used for these properties (see {{MoveDataIcon}} for colored ones):

Homing
Is homing. Can't be sidestepped.
Tailspin
Will cause a screw against an aerial opponent. Implies "Balcony break".
Spike
Will spike an aerial opponent, preventing them from tech rolling. Implies "Floor break".
Floor Break
Can floor break.
Balcony Break
Can wall/balcony break.
Wall Bounce
Will cause a wall bounce against standing opponent if he hits the wall. Implies "Balcony break".
Clean hit {frame advantage}
Can clean hit, will be at frame advantage {frame advantage} if it does.
Example: "Clean hit +24a"
Throw break {input}
Throw can be broken with {input}.
Example: "Throw break 1+2"
Throw break {input} on frame {range}
Throw can be broken with {input} during frames {range}.
Example: "Throw break 1+2 on frame 1~20"
Move can be delayed {frames}f
Active frames can be delayed up to {frames} frames. Implies "Input can be delayed {frames}f".
Example: "Move can be delayed 2f"
Input can be delayed {frames}f
Input can be delayed up to {frames} frames after the last active frame of the previous move in the string (when non-delayable strings can no longer be input).
Example: "Input can be delayed 4f"
Transition to {recovery} with {input}
Pressing {input} during startup will change recovery to {recovery}
Example: "Transition to r21 HMS with 3+4"
Transition input can be delayed {frames}f
Input for stance transition can be delayed up to {frames} frames from the first active frame of the last hit (when non-delayable transitions can no longer be input).
Example: "Transition input can be delayed 8f"
Enter {stance} {frame advantage} with {input} on {block/hit/ch}
Pressing {input} after the move {block/hit/ch} will transition to {stance} with {frame advantage}
Example: "Enter RSS +9 with F on hit"
Enter {stance} {frames on block} {frames on hit} {frames on ch} {total frames} {recovery frames} with {input}
A generalized version of the above. Frame data should be included in the order shown above.
Example: "Enter KNK -9 +2 with b"
Combo from {nth} {hit/CH}
Is guaranteed to hit in neutral if {nth} move in the string {hit/ch}.
Example: "Combo from 2nd hit"
Combo from {nth} {hit/CH} with {frames}f delay
Is guaranteed to hit in neutral if input is delayed up to {frames} frames and the {nth} move in the string {hit/ch}.
Example: "Combo from 3rd CH with 14f delay"
Jail from {nth} attack
Opponent is forced to block if {nth} move in the string is blocked. Implies "Combo from {nth} {hit/ch}".
Example: "Jail from 1st attack"
Jail from {nth} block
Opponent is forced to block if {nth} move in the string is blocked. Does not imply "Combo from {nth} {hit/ch}".
Example: "Jail from 3rd block"
Jail from {nth} {attack/block} with {frames}f delay
Opponent is forced to block if input is delayed up to {frames} and the {nth} move in the string is blocked.
Example: "Jail from 1st attack with 4f delay"