Marduk punishers: Difference between revisions

Latest revision as of 09:08, 20 September 2023

Punishers for tricky moves
Various	Slide	FC.1+2 ...
Generic	FUFT.4	df+4,2
Alisa	b+4,4 b+4,4,3+4~1	f,F db+2
Alisa	b+3+4 b+3+4,3+4	db+2
Armor King & King	db+4	FC.1+2
Asuka	b+3	(None)
Claudio	f+2,2	b+2^[1] f,F+2 (deep dash)
Devil Jin	u+4 u+4,U~n_1_2_3	df+1 ...
Devil Jin	R.f,n,d,df+4,3+4	df+4,2
Eddy	3~4	ws3 ...
Eddy	b+3,3	b+4
Heihachi	f,F+2	db+2^[1] f+1+2^[1]
Jack-7	R.b+1+2	f,F df+1 (deep dash)
Jack-7	d+1+2	(None)
Law	db+3+4	df+4,2
Leroy	db+1+2	(None)
Lucky Chloe	BT.f+3+4,3+4 BT.f+3+4,3+4,3+4	(None)
Paul	d+4,2:1+2 qcf+2	db+2^[1]^[2] df+1 ...^[3]^[2]
Xiaoyu	BT.3	(None)
	BT.f+3+4,3+4	2,d+1+2 ...
	AOP.4~3	FC.1+2 ...

Enemy	Move	Damage	Frames
Standing
-10	1,d+2	21	+7
-10	2,1	22	+5
-13	df+4,2	38	+13g
-15	df+1	15 (67)	+29 (+19)
-17	df+3,df+1	23 (75)	+29 (+19)
-23	f+3,2	33 (85)	+47 (+39)
Crouching
-10	ws1+2	12	+7
-11	ws1	14	+3
-13	ws4	21	+13 (+6)
-18	ws3	20 (69)	+26 (+16)
-24	cc f+3,2^[4]	33 (85)	+47 (+39)
Both
-12	uf+1,2^[5]	34	+6c
-17	uf+1+2^[5]	21 (70)	+23
-23	uf,n,4	25 (79)	JG
Back-turned opponent
-10	2,d+1+2	32 (86)	JG
Grounded opponent
-16	d+3	14	-1 (-9)
-18	db+1+3	20 (?)	+60 (+36)
-18	db+2+4	35	0
-19	f+4	20	+2c
-20	db+4	18	-2 (-10)
-22	FC.1+2	20	+22 (+5)

Move	Speed	Range	Damage	Risk	Hitbox
Whiff punishers
1,d+2	i10	2.25	20	-9	High
uf+1,2	i12	2.80	34	-2/-41^[6]	High
df+4,2	i13	2.30	38	-5/-41^[6]	Mid
b+4	i14	2.66	20	-9	Mid
df+1	i15	2.80	15 (67)	-13	Mid
db+2	i16	2.86	20	-8	Mid
uf+1+2	i17	2.52	21 (70)	-6/-28	High
df+3,df+1	i17	2.20	23 (75)	-12	Mid
b+3+4	i18	2.89	30^[7]	-14^[8]	Mid

↑ ^1.0 ^1.1 ^1.2 ^1.3 Can whiff if blocked at tip range
↑ ^2.0 ^2.1 Doesn't work against d+4,2:1+2
↑ Only when blocked at point-blank range
↑ Only optimal in niche situations
↑ ^5.0 ^5.1 Being a high, won't punish lows that recover in crouch
↑ ^6.0 ^6.1 Duckable high
↑ wall bounce
↑ Not universally punishable except at the wall

[can-whiff-1] 1.0 ^1.1 ^1.2 ^1.3 Can whiff if blocked at tip range

[demoman-2] 2.0 ^2.1 Doesn't work against d+4,2:1+2

[close-range-3] Only when blocked at point-blank range

[niche-4] Only optimal in niche situations

[high-punish-5] 5.0 ^5.1 Being a high, won't punish lows that recover in crouch

[duckable-6] 6.0 ^6.1 Duckable high

[7] wall bounce

[8] Not universally punishable except at the wall

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@@ Line 15: / Line 15: @@
 |eddy-a = ws3 ...
 |eddy-b = b+4
-|heihachi-a = db+2
+|heihachi-a = {{Plainlist|
-|jack-7-a = ''(None)''
+* db+2<ref name="can-whiff" />
-|jack-7-b = f,F df+1 ''(deep dash)''
+* f+1+2<ref name="can-whiff" />}}
+|jack-7-a = f,F df+1 ''(deep dash)''
+|jack-7-b = ''(None)''
 |law-a = df+4,2
 |leroy-a = ''(None)''
@@ Line 25: / Line 27: @@
 * df+1 ...<ref name="close-range">Only when blocked at point-blank range</ref><ref name="demoman" />}}
 |xiaoyu-a = ''(None)''
-|xiaoyu-b = 1,d+2
+|xiaoyu-b = 2,d+1+2 ...
 |xiaoyu-c = FC.1+2 ...
 }}
-{{Navbox punishers}}
+{{Navbox punishers (Tekken 7)}}
 {| class="punishers"
@@ Line 42: / Line 44: @@
 | -13 || df+4,2 || 38 || +13g
 |-
-| -15 || df+1 || 15 ([[Marduk combos#Staples|?]]) || +29 (+19)
+| -15 || df+1 || 15 ([[Marduk combos#Staples|67]]) || +29 (+19)
 |-
-| -17 || df+3,df+1 || 23 ([[Marduk combos#Staples|?]]) || ??
+| -17 || df+3,df+1 || 23 ([[Marduk combos#Staples|75]]) || +29 (+19)
 |-
-| -23 || f+3,2 || 33 ([[Marduk combos#Staples|?]]) || +47 (+39)
+| -23 || f+3,2 || 33 ([[Marduk combos#Staples|85]]) || +47 (+39)
 |-
 | colspan="4" class="table-cat" | Crouching
@@ Line 56: / Line 58: @@
 | -13 || ws4 || 21 || +13 (+6)
 |-
-| -18 || ws3 || 20 ([[Marduk combos#Staples|?]]) || +26 (+16)
+| -18 || ws3 || 20 ([[Marduk combos#Staples|69]]) || +26 (+16)
+|-
+| -24 || cc f+3,2<ref name="niche">Only optimal in niche situations</ref> || 33 ([[Marduk combos#Staples|85]]) || +47 (+39)
 |-
 | colspan="4" class="table-cat" | Both
 |-
-| -12 || uf+1,2 || 34 || +6c
+| -12 || uf+1,2<ref name="high-punish">Being a high, won't punish lows that recover in crouch</ref> || 34 || +6c
+|-
+| -17 || uf+1+2<ref name="high-punish" /> || 21 ([[Marduk combos#Staples|70]]) || +23
 |-
-| -17 || uf+1+2 || 21 ([[Marduk combos#Staples|?]]) || +23
+| -23 || uf,n,4 || 25 ([[Marduk combos#Staples|79]]) || JG
 |-
 | colspan="4" class="table-cat" | Back-turned opponent
 |-
-| -10 || 1,2,3 || 31 || +15 (+5)
+| -10 || 2,d+1+2 || 32 ([[Marduk combos#Staples|86]]) || JG
 |-
 | colspan="4" class="table-cat" | Grounded opponent
 |-
 | -16 || d+3 || 14 || -1 (-9)
+|-
+| rowspan="2" | -18
+| db+1+3 || 20 ([[Marduk combos#Staples|?]]) || +60 (+36)
+|-
+| db+2+4 || 35 || 0
+|-
+| -19 || f+4 || 20 || +2c
 |-
 | -20 || db+4 || 18 || -2 (-10)
+|-
+| -22 || FC.1+2 || 20 || +22 (+5)
+|-
 |}
@@ Line 82: / Line 98: @@
 | 1,d+2 || i10 || 2.25 || 20 || -9 || High
 |-
-| uf+1,2 || i12 || 2.80 || 34 || -2/?? || High
+| uf+1,2 || i12 || 2.80 || 34 || -2/-41<ref name="duckable">Duckable high</ref> || High
 |-
-| df+4,2 || i13 || 2.30 || 38 || -5/?? || Mid
+| df+4,2 || i13 || 2.30 || 38 || -5/-41<ref name="duckable" /> || Mid
 |-
 | b+4 || i14 || 2.66 || 20 || -9 || Mid
 |-
-| df+1 || i15 || 2.80 || 15 ([[Marduk combos#Staples|?]]) || -13 || Mid
+| df+1 || i15 || 2.80 || 15 ([[Marduk combos#Staples|67]]) || -13 || Mid
 |-
 | db+2 || i16 || 2.86 || 20 || -8 || Mid
 |-
-| uf+1+2 || i17 || 2.52 || 21 ([[Marduk combos#Staples|?]]) || -6/?? || High
+| uf+1+2 || i17 || 2.52 || 21 ([[Marduk combos#Staples|70]]) || -6/-28 || High
+|-
+| df+3,df+1 || i17 || 2.20 || 23 ([[Marduk combos#Staples|75]]) || -12 || Mid
 |-
-| df+3,df+1 || i17 || ?? || 23 ([[Marduk combos#Staples|?]]) || -12 || Mid
+| b+3+4 || i18 || 2.89 || 30<ref>wall bounce</ref> || -14<ref>Not universally punishable except at the wall</ref> || Mid
 |-
 |}
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