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{{Infobox tricky moves}}
{{Infobox tricky moves
|slide = ws2,2 ... <ref name="ws22">ws2,2 4,2 <J.2 1 1 1 f,F+4 (68)</ref>
|generic-a = b+1,2
|alisa-a = {{Plainlist|
* df+1+2 ... <ref>(Combo on extension, KD on non-extension) df+1+2 4,2 <J.2 f,F+4 (53)(</ref>
* db+1+2 ... <ref>(Combo on non-extension, KD on extension) db+1+2 df+1+2 4,2 <J.2 f,F+4 (76)</ref>
}}
|alisa-b = uf+3,U ... <ref> (Change combo on reaction)
Non-extension: ~2 ,uf+3,U~2,2,2 f,F+4 (72)
Extension: ~2,2,2 f,F+4 (51)</ref>
|king-a = ws2,2 ... <ref name="ws22"></ref>
|asuka-a = df+2 ... <ref name="noctis gaming">df+2 df+4,2 uf+3,U~2,2,2 S! 1 f,F+4 (76)</ref>
|claudio-a = {{Plainlist|
* f+1+2
* f+2
* R.f+2+3
* ff+4 (tricky)
}}
|devil-jin-a = df+2 1 ... <ref>df+2 1 uf+3,U~2,2,2 S! f,F+4 (55)</ref>
|devil-jin-b = {{Plainlist|
* df+1,2
* b3,1 (near wall)
}}
|eddy-a = 1 <ref>(Between hits) 1 uf+3,U~2,2,2 f,F+4 (47)</ref>
|eddy-b = db+1,1+2 ... <ref>db+1,1+2 d2,2 S! f,F+4 (38)</ref>
|heihachi-a = df+2 ... <ref name="noctis gaming"></ref>
|jack-7-a = b+4,1+2 <ref>You could hypothetically do ~76 damage in a db+1+2 combo but b+4,1+2 will always hit and always kill</ref>
|jack-7-b = df+2 ... <ref name="noctis gaming"></ref>
|law-a = df+1,2
|leroy-a = ''(None)''
|lucky-chloe-a = 1 ... <ref>Option select: 1 will float Chloe on extension and whiff on non-extension. On float, you can react with uf+3,U~2,2,2 1 f,F+4 (49) and on whiff you can react with df+2 df+4,2 uf+3,U~2,2,2 S! 1 f,F+4 (76)</ref>
|paul-a = df+2 <ref name="noctis gaming"></ref>
|xiaoyu-a = ''(None)''
|xiaoyu-b = 1,2,1+2
|xiaoyu-c = wr3 ... <ref>1 uf+3,U~2,2,2 1 f,F+4 (51)</ref>
}}
{{Navbox punishers (Tekken 7)}}


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{| class="punishers"
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| -12 || b+1,2 || 31 || +7
| -12 || b+1,2 || 31 || +7
|-
|-
| -14 || b+3,1 || 37 ||
| -13 || df+1,2 || 35 ||
|-
|-
| -15 || df+2 || 20 ([[Noctis combos#Staples|?]]) ||
| -14 || b+3,1<ref>Generally worse than df+1,2 unless the opponent is near a wall; it does similar damage and leaves the opponent too far away for Noctis to reliably continue his pressure (you are too far to threaten sidesteps with ff1+2 and so the opponent can simply evade wr1+2). However, this reliably wallsplats at the wall, so in that situation it is superior.</ref> || 37 ||
|-
| -15 || df+2 || 20 ([[Noctis combos#Staples|74]]) ||
|-
|-
| colspan="4" class="table-cat" | Crouching
| colspan="4" class="table-cat" | Crouching
|-
|-
| -11 || ws4<ref name="p"/> || 18 || +6
| -10 || fc1 || 10 || +6
|-
|-
| colspan="4" class="table-cat" | Back-turned opponent
| -11 || ws4 || 15 || +5
|-
|-
| -10 || 1,2,3<ref name="p"/> || 40 || +10a (+1)
| -13 || ws1,2 || 33 || +2c
|-
|-
| colspan="4" class="table-cat" | Grounded opponent
| -14 || ws3,2 || 37 || +4d
|-
|-
| -16 || d+3<ref name="p"/> || 9 || -3a (-11)
| -15 || ws2,2 || 31 ([[Noctis combos#Staples|68]]) || +5
|}
 
{| class="punishers" style="clear: both"
| colspan="6" class="table-cat" | Whiff punishers
|-
|-
! Move !! Speed !! [[Movelist#Range|Range]] !! Damage !! Risk !! Hitbox
| -16 || FC.df1<ref>Generally inferior to ws2,2, but wallsplats more consistently.</ref> || 25 || +5
|-
|-
| 1,2<ref name="p">Example. Remove after substitution.</ref> || i10 || 2.00 || 15 || -1 || High<ref>Use references to add more extensive notes or details. Don't add new columns and don't fill them out with entire paragraphs.</ref>
| -17 || uf+3(,u) || 27 ([[Noctis combos#Staples|74]]) || +5
|-
|-
|}
| -18 || b+4,1+2<ref>Generally inferior to uf3, but it always kills when used to punish rage arts.</ref> || 44 || +5
 
<references/>
 
== Old table (TODO: copy to above) ==
 
{| class="wikitable"
|+ Extra
|-
|-
! Move Input !! Speed !! Damage !! Frame Advantage
| colspan="4" class="table-cat" | Back-turned opponent
|-
|-
| F1+2 || i16 || 24 DMG || Use when DF2 whiffs
| -10 || 1,2,1+2 || 38 || +5a (-4)
|-
|-
| b4,1+2 || i18 || 44 DMG || Best punish for Rage Arts, always kills.
| colspan="4" class="table-cat" | Grounded opponent
|-
| F2 || i20 || 33 DMG || Projectile, use when anything else would whiff
|-
|-
| -16 || d+3<ref>Example. Remove after substitution.</ref> || 9 || -3a (-11)
|}
|}


{| class="wikitable"
{| class="punishers" style="clear: both"
|+ Crouch Punishers
| colspan="6" class="table-cat" | Whiff punishers
|-
|-
! Move Input !! Speed !! Damage !! Frame Advantage
! Move !! Speed !! [[Movelist#Range|Range]] !! Damage !! Risk !! Hitbox
|-
|-
| WS4 || i11 || 15 DMG || +5
| df+2<ref>Go-to whiff punish in most situations. Relatively fast and leads to some of Noctis' highest damage combos.</ref> || i16 || 3.05 || 20 ([[Noctis combos#Staples|76]]) || -20a || Mid
|-
|-
| WS1,2 || i13 || 31 DMG || +2 (forces opponent into crouch)
| f+1+2<ref>Use this whenever out of df2 range.</ref> || i16 || 3.68 || 24 || -20 || Mid
|-
|-
| WS2,2 || i15 || LAUNCH || Screw
| f+2<ref>Projectile. Use this whenever out of f+1+2 range. Leaves you much closer than f1+2 and does more damage but is slower.</ref> || i20 || 5.89 || 33 || -9 || Mid
|-
|-
| FC DF1 || i16 || 25 DMG || Only use for wallsplat, otherwise do WS2,2
| R.f+2+3<ref>Projectile. Knocks opponent back to maximum distance and wallsplats. Bit of a waste to use it as a whiff punish unless it'll kill.</ref> || i18 || 6.43 || 40 || +2 || Mid
|-
|-
| UF3 || i17 || LAUNCH ||
|}
|}


Punishment notes:
<references/>
 
Generally, DF1,2 is gonna be better than the i14 punishes unless the opponent is at the wall where B3,1 gives a wallsplat into a wall combo.
 
B3,1 is generally a pretty bad punish in the open as it pushes the opponent far away while allowing them to backroll, putting you in a situation where they can step your WR1+2 after wake-up while you’re too far away to comfortably threaten their Side Step with FF1+2.
 
FC DF1 can be used as a punish against stagger lows in situations where WS2,2 doesn’t give a clean wallsplat.

Latest revision as of 09:08, 20 September 2023

Noctis
Punishers for tricky moves
Various Slide ws2,2 ... [1]
Generic FUFT.4 b+1,2
Alisa
  • b+4,4
  • b+4,4,3+4~1
  • b+3+4
  • b+3+4,3+4
 uf+3,U ... [4]
db+4 ws2,2 ... [1]
Asuka b+3 df+2 ... [5]
Claudio f+2,2
  • f+1+2
  • f+2
  • R.f+2+3
  • ff+4 (tricky)
Devil Jin
  • u+4
  • u+4,U~n_1_2_3
 df+2 1 ... [6]
R.f,n,d,df+4,3+4
  • df+1,2
  • b3,1 (near wall)
Eddy 3~4 1 [7]
b+3,3 db+1,1+2 ... [8]
Heihachi f,F+2 df+2 ... [5]
Jack-7 R.b+1+2 b+4,1+2 [9]
d+1+2 df+2 ... [5]
Law db+3+4 df+1,2
Leroy db+1+2 (None)
Lucky Chloe
  • BT.f+3+4,3+4
  • BT.f+3+4,3+4,3+4
 1 ... [10]
Paul
  • d+4,2:1+2
  • qcf+2
 df+2 [5]
Xiaoyu BT.3 (None)
BT.f+3+4,3+4 1,2,1+2
AOP.4~3 wr3 ... [11]
Punishers (Tekken 7)
Standing
Enemy Move Damage Frames
-10 1,2,2 27 +1
-12 b+1,2 31 +7
-13 df+1,2 35
-14 b+3,1[12] 37
-15 df+2 20 (74)
Crouching
-10 fc1 10 +6
-11 ws4 15 +5
-13 ws1,2 33 +2c
-14 ws3,2 37 +4d
-15 ws2,2 31 (68) +5
-16 FC.df1[13] 25 +5
-17 uf+3(,u) 27 (74) +5
-18 b+4,1+2[14] 44 +5
Back-turned opponent
-10 1,2,1+2 38 +5a (-4)
Grounded opponent
-16 d+3[15] 9 -3a (-11)
Whiff punishers
Move Speed Range Damage Risk Hitbox
df+2[16] i16 3.05 20 (76) -20a Mid
f+1+2[17] i16 3.68 24 -20 Mid
f+2[18] i20 5.89 33 -9 Mid
R.f+2+3[19] i18 6.43 40 +2 Mid
  1. ↑ 1.0 1.1 ws2,2 4,2 <J.2 1 1 1 f,F+4 (68)
  2. ↑ (Combo on extension, KD on non-extension) df+1+2 4,2 <J.2 f,F+4 (53)(
  3. ↑ (Combo on non-extension, KD on extension) db+1+2 df+1+2 4,2 <J.2 f,F+4 (76)
  4. ↑ (Change combo on reaction) Non-extension: ~2 ,uf+3,U~2,2,2 f,F+4 (72) Extension: ~2,2,2 f,F+4 (51)
  5. ↑ 5.0 5.1 5.2 5.3 df+2 df+4,2 uf+3,U~2,2,2 S! 1 f,F+4 (76)
  6. ↑ df+2 1 uf+3,U~2,2,2 S! f,F+4 (55)
  7. ↑ (Between hits) 1 uf+3,U~2,2,2 f,F+4 (47)
  8. ↑ db+1,1+2 d2,2 S! f,F+4 (38)
  9. ↑ You could hypothetically do ~76 damage in a db+1+2 combo but b+4,1+2 will always hit and always kill
  10. ↑ Option select: 1 will float Chloe on extension and whiff on non-extension. On float, you can react with uf+3,U~2,2,2 1 f,F+4 (49) and on whiff you can react with df+2 df+4,2 uf+3,U~2,2,2 S! 1 f,F+4 (76)
  11. ↑ 1 uf+3,U~2,2,2 1 f,F+4 (51)
  12. ↑ Generally worse than df+1,2 unless the opponent is near a wall; it does similar damage and leaves the opponent too far away for Noctis to reliably continue his pressure (you are too far to threaten sidesteps with ff1+2 and so the opponent can simply evade wr1+2). However, this reliably wallsplats at the wall, so in that situation it is superior.
  13. ↑ Generally inferior to ws2,2, but wallsplats more consistently.
  14. ↑ Generally inferior to uf3, but it always kills when used to punish rage arts.
  15. ↑ Example. Remove after substitution.
  16. ↑ Go-to whiff punish in most situations. Relatively fast and leads to some of Noctis' highest damage combos.
  17. ↑ Use this whenever out of df2 range.
  18. ↑ Projectile. Use this whenever out of f+1+2 range. Leaves you much closer than f1+2 and does more damage but is slower.
  19. ↑ Projectile. Knocks opponent back to maximum distance and wallsplats. Bit of a waste to use it as a whiff punish unless it'll kill.
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