Josie punishers: Difference between revisions

Latest revision as of 09:07, 20 September 2023

Punishers for tricky moves
Various	Slide	ws3
Generic	FUFT.4	f+2,4
Alisa	b+4,4 b+4,4,3+4~1	f,f df+2
Alisa	b+3+4 b+3+4,3+4	df+2
Armor King & King	db+4	FC.df+4 cc d+4 df+4~F~1^[1]
Asuka	b+3	f+4,3 R.f,n,d,df+3+4 (hard)
Claudio	f+2,2	f,f f+1+2
Devil Jin	u+4 u+4,U~n_1_2_3	swl df+2^[2]
Devil Jin	R.f,n,d,df+4,3+4	f+1+2
Eddy	3~4	uf,n,4 cc df+2
Eddy	b+3,3	df+4~f~1
Heihachi	f,F+2	uf+3+4 (can whiff) f+1+2 (can whiff)
Jack-7	R.b+1+2	f,f df+2 (can whiff) f,f f+1+2
Jack-7	d+1+2	1+2 f+1+2 (can whiff) f+4,3 (can whiff)
Law	db+3+4	3
Leroy	db+1+2	b+1,1^[3]
Lucky Chloe	BT.f+3+4,3+4 BT.f+3+4,3+4,3+4	3,3
Paul	d+4,2:1+2 qcf+2	f+4,3
Xiaoyu	BT.3	uf+3+4^[3]
	BT.f+3+4,3+4	b+1,2,4,4
	AOP.4~3	ws3 (delay)

Enemy	Move	Damage	Frames
Standing
-10	1,2,2	25	+9
-10	1,4,3	29	+1
-11	b+1,1	30	+16g
-12	f+2,4	33	+16a (+7)
-14	f+1+2	20 (49)	+41d (+33)
-15	uf+4	13 (62)	+33a (+23)
-16	b+1+2	21 (70)	+53a
Crouching
-10	FC.1	5	+6
-11	ws4	16	+5
-13	ws2,1	22 (59)	+26a
-15	uf+4	13 (62)	+33a (+23)
-23	uf,n,4	25 (74)	+34a (+24)
Back-turned opponent
-10	1,2,3	40	+10a (+1)
	1,2,2	25	+9b^[4]
	1,2,4~4^[5]	60	+14a (+5)
-11	b+1,2,4,4	54	+15a (+6)
-12	f+2,3,3	51	+27a (+17)
Grounded opponent
-15	d+4	6	+1a (-7)
-16	db+3	9	-3a (-11)
-19	d+3+4	19	+9a (-8)

Move	Speed	Damage	Risk	Hitbox
Whiff punishers
1,4,3	i10	29	-4^[6]	High
b+1,1	i11	30	-3^[7]	High
b+1,2	i11	22	-5	High
2,4	i12	30	+11g^[7]	High
uf+3+4	i14	34	-13	Mid
df+2	i15	10 (59)	-13	Mid
b+4,3	i16	28	-6	Mid
f+4,3	i17	27	-10	Mid

↑ Possible but ridiculously inconsistent.
↑ You will need to react and chase down u+4,U~3.
↑ ^3.0 ^3.1 Only hits off-axis from point-blank. Works both sides. Does not hit head-on.
↑ Against most characters df+4 is guaranteed, and a mixup between b+1,2,4,4 and df+2 covers all options.
↑ Third hit can be ducked.
↑ Hit confirm last hit
↑ ^7.0 ^7.1 Last hit can be ducked, but is hard.

[1] Possible but ridiculously inconsistent.

[2] You will need to react and chase down u+4,U~3.

[off-axis-punish-3] 3.0 ^3.1 Only hits off-axis from point-blank. Works both sides. Does not hit head-on.

[4] Against most characters df+4 is guaranteed, and a mixup between b+1,2,4,4 and df+2 covers all options.

[5] Third hit can be ducked.

[6] Hit confirm last hit

[unsafe-duck-7] 7.0 ^7.1 Last hit can be ducked, but is hard.

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 {{Josie}}
-{{Infobox tricky moves}}
+{{Infobox tricky moves
+|slide=[[Josie combos#Float|ws3]]
+|generic-a=f+2,4
+|alisa-a=f,f [[Josie combos#Float|df+2]]
+|alisa-b=df+2
+|king-a={{Plainlist|
+* FC.df+4
+* cc [[Josie combos#Float|d+4 df+4~F~1]]<ref>Possible but ridiculously inconsistent.</ref>}}
+|asuka-a={{Plainlist|
+* f+4,3
+* R.f,n,d,df+3+4 ''(hard)''}}
+|claudio-a=f,f f+1+2
+|devil-jin-a=swl df+2<ref>You will need to react and chase down u+4,U~3.</ref>
+|devil-jin-b=f+1+2
+|eddy-a={{Plainlist|
+* uf,n,4
+* cc df+2}}
+|eddy-b=[[Josie combos#Float|df+4~f~1]]
+|heihachi-a={{Plainlist|
+* uf+3+4 ''(can whiff)''
+* f+1+2 ''(can whiff)''}}
+|jack-7-a={{Plainlist|
+* f,f df+2 ''(can whiff)''
+* f,f f+1+2}}
+|jack-7-b={{Plainlist|
+* 1+2
+* f+1+2 ''(can whiff)''
+* f+4,3 ''(can whiff)''}}
+|law-a=3
+|leroy-a=b+1,1<ref name="off-axis-punish">Only hits off-axis from point-blank. Works both sides. Does not hit head-on.</ref>
+|lucky-chloe-a=[[Josie combos#Float|3,3]]
+|paul-a=f+4,3
+|xiaoyu-a=uf+3+4<ref name="off-axis-punish"/>
+|xiaoyu-b=b+1,2,4,4
+|xiaoyu-c=ws3 ''(delay)''
+}}
+{{Navbox punishers (Tekken 7)}}
 {| class="punishers"
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 | -14 || f+1+2 || 20 ([[Josie combos#Mini-combos|49]]) || +41d (+33)
 |-
-| -15 || u/f+4 || 13 ([[Josie combos#Staples|62]]) || +33a (+23)
+| -15 || uf+4 || 13 ([[Josie combos#Staples|62]]) || +33a (+23)
 |-
 | -16 || b+1+2 || 21 ([[Josie combos#Staples|70]]) || +53a
@@ Line 30: / Line 66: @@
 | -13 || ws2,1 || 22 ([[Josie combos#Staples|59]]) || +26a
 |-
-| -15 || u/f+4 || 13 ([[Josie combos#Staples|62]]) || +33a (+23)
+| -15 || uf+4 || 13 ([[Josie combos#Staples|62]]) || +33a (+23)
 |-
-| -23 || u/f,n,4 || 25 ([[Josie combos#Staples|74]]) || +34a (+24)
+| -23 || uf,n,4 || 25 ([[Josie combos#Staples|74]]) || +34a (+24)
 |-
@@ Line 40: / Line 76: @@
 | 1,2,3 || 40 || +10a (+1)
 |-
-| 1,2,2 || 25 || +9b<ref>Against most characters d/f+4 is guaranteed, and a mixup between b+1,2,4,4 and d/f+2 covers all options.</ref>
+| 1,2,2 || 25 || +9b<ref>Against most characters df+4 is guaranteed, and a mixup between b+1,2,4,4 and df+2 covers all options.</ref>
 |-
 | 1,2,4~4<ref>Third hit can be ducked.</ref> || 60 || +14a (+5)
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 | -15 || d+4 || 6 || +1a (-7)
 |-
-| -16 || d/b+3 || 9 || -3a (-11)
+| -16 || db+3 || 9 || -3a (-11)
 |-
 | -19 || d+3+4 || 19 || +9a (-8)
@@ Line 70: / Line 106: @@
 | 2,4 || i12 || || 30 || +11g<ref name="unsafe-duck">Last hit can be ducked, but is hard.</ref> || High
 |-
-| u/f+3+4 || i14 || || 34 || -13 || Mid
+| uf+3+4 || i14 || || 34 || -13 || Mid
 |-
-| d/f+2 || i15 || || 10 ([[Josie combos#Staples|59]]) || -13 || Mid
+| df+2 || i15 || || 10 ([[Josie combos#Staples|59]]) || -13 || Mid
 |-
 | b+4,3 || i16 || || 28 || -6 || Mid
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 <references/>
-{| class="wikitable"
-|+ Special Cases
-|-
-| Big Pushback Moves (Deathfist, HEI FF2) || F1+2 F,F Df1,4,2 || 49 dmg || This will only reach when you neutral blocked the move shallow.
-|-
-|  || UF3+4 || 34 dmg ||  Most of the time this will reach, but can still whiff against tip range
-|-
-| || F4,3 || 27 dmg || This will almost always work.
-|-
-| RLX Pickup || DF4~f CD1 4 3,2~f CD1,3 S! DF1,2~f CD1,3 || 43 dmg || Thankfully Josie get's a pretty great punish on Eddy's shenanigans.
-|-
-| Slide Pickup || WS3 2 F1+2 3,2~f CD1,3 S! DF1,2~f CD1,3 || 49 dmg ||
-|-
-| King and Armor King Dropkick || Crouch Cancel D4 DF4~f CD1 3,2~f CD1,3 S! DF1,2~f CD1,3 || 38 dmg || Hard af. Josie doesn't have any suitable mids to pick up for a combo, so this is what we have to do if we want to get a combo.
-|-
-| || FC DF4 || 20-30 dmg || Much easier. This isn't a true punish in terms of frames, but I'm don't think it can be escaped. Depending on what your opponent does off the ground this will do differing amounts of damage and put you in a variety of situations.
-|}