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Punishers for tricky moves
Various	Slide	ws4, ...^[1]
Generic	FUFT.4	2,2
Alisa	b+4,4 b+4,4,3+4~1	f,F+4^[2] dash uf+3 ...^[3]
Alisa	b+3+4 b+3+4,3+4	df+2,4^[2] b+4,1+2 ub+4^[4] uf+4,4
Armor King & King	db+4	ub+4 cc d+3 ... (hard)^[5]
Asuka	b+3	ub+4
Claudio	f+2,2	f,F+2,4, ... (deep dash)
Devil Jin	u+4 u+4,U~n_1_2_3	uf+3^[3]
Devil Jin	R.f,n,d,df+4,3+4	3,3,3,3,3
Eddy	3~4	uf+3, ...
Eddy	b+3,3	df+1, ...
Heihachi	f,F+2	ub+4
Jack-7	R.b+1+2	dash uf+3, ...
Jack-7	d+1+2	ub+4^[6]
Law	db+3+4	df+1,1
Leroy	db+1+2	(None)
Lucky Chloe	BT.f+3+4,3+4 BT.f+3+4,3+4,3+4	(None)^[7]
Paul	d+4,2:1+2 qcf+2	ub+4
Xiaoyu	BT.3	ub+4^[8]
	BT.f+3+4,3+4	1,1,3 ub+4
	AOP.4~3	cc df+1 ... cc b+1 ... ws4 ... (inconsistent)

Enemy	Move	Damage	Frames
Standing
-10	1,1	17	+4
-10	1,1,F	17	+5 HAR
-12	2,2	30	+10g
-14	3,3,3,3,3	38	+4c
-14	3,4	29	KND
Crouching
-11	ws4	15	+8
-13	ws1,1	25	+6
-13	ws1,1,F	25	+10g HAR
-14	ws3,3,3,3,3	41	+4c
-15	ws2	20 (70)	+27a (+17)
Both
-15	uf+4,4	20 (72)	+46a (+38)
-19	uf+3	27 (79)	+25a (+15)
Back-turned opponent
-10
	1,1,3 ub+4	55	+8a (-9)
	1,1,2 3,4^[9]	63	+16a (+7)
	1,1,2 3,3,3,3,3^[10]	72	+4c
-11	4,4,4	42	Mixup^[11]
-14	b+1,F HAR.df+1+2	65	+0d
Grounded opponent
-16	ub+4	18	+8a (-9)
-16	d+3	9	+0a (-8)
-25	f,F+3	16 (32)	+12d^[12]
-26	OTG.d+3+4	22	-1a (-9)

Move	Speed	Range	Damage	Risk	Hitbox
Whiff punishers
1,1	i10	2.03	17	-2	High
4	i11	2.25	17	-12^[13]	High
ws4	i11	2.27	15	-3	Mid
2,2	i12	2.50	30	-12	High
df+1	i13	2.31	13	-2	Mid
df+1,1	i13	2.31	21	-5/-24^[14]	Mid
b+1,2	i14	2.36	23	-8	Mid
3,3,3,3,3	i14	2.41	38	-1 HAR^[15]/-14	Mid
ws3,3,3,3,3^[16]	i14	2.41	41	-1 HAR^[15]/-14	Mid
f,F+2,4	i12(~15)	2.46	27 (58)	-9/-34^[14]	High
uf+4,4	i15	2.14	20 (72)	-13	Mid
ws2	i15	2.49	20 (70)	-13	Mid
ub+4	i16	2.92	23	-14	Mid
b+4,1+2^[16]	i17	2.48	37 (55)	+1/-32^[14]	Mid
df+2,2	i17	2.61	38	-10	Mid
uf+3	i19	2.63	27 (79)	-15	Mid

↑ ws4 d+2,F~d ws4 d+2,F~df+2,3 S! d+2,F~4 (52)
↑ ^2.0 ^2.1 KND punish without extension, instant tailspin with extension)
↑ ^3.0 ^3.1 Launch punish without extension, KND with extension
↑ confirm ub+4 only if Alisa continues the string
↑ cc d+3 b+1,F~D ws4 d+2,F~df+2,3 S! d+2,F~4 (44 dmg)
↑ can whiff at tip range
↑ 2,2 works as an OS if you neutral guard instead of holding back, but this will whiff if she cancels the string and you're holding back.
↑ not a true punish since Xiaoyu can parry it with BT.1+4, but works in all situations otherwise. With conditioning, BT.1+4 can be baited and whiff punished. ub+4 whiffs at tip range.
↑ Xiaoyu can evade by holding DB
↑ can be mitigated by not pressing anything - causes 3rd and 5th hit to whiff (for a total of 51 dmg) and allowing for a BT.3_4 punish
↑ 4,4,4 in the back gives a 50/50 between 4,4,4,4,4 and 4,4,4,F~4 (or ~df+2,3). This doesn't work directly at the wall since the first 4 turns them around. Useful near the wall since every option splats or bounces. 4,4,4,4,4 always bounces, but HAR.4 doesn't bounce if they're BT. If you get a reverse splat, then f,F+3 OTG.d+3+4 is good damage.
↑ f,F+3 (and HAR.uf+3) only spikes face-up opponents. Face-down opponents can tech roll to avoid any guaranteed hits.
↑ 4 is hard to punish because of its extensions, and many chars can't block punish it at tip range.
↑ ^14.0 ^14.1 ^14.2 Duckable high.
↑ 3,3,3,3,3 (and ws3,3,3,3,3) can be hit confirmed to be safe by doing 3,3,3,F when the first hit is blocked.
↑ ^16.0 ^16.1 Rage punisher

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[slide-1] ws4 d+2,F~d ws4 d+2,F~df+2,3 S! d+2,F~4 (52)

[tailspin-punish-2] 2.0 ^2.1 KND punish without extension, instant tailspin with extension)

[uf3-3] 3.0 ^3.1 Launch punish without extension, KND with extension

[4] rm ub+4 only if Alisa continues the string

[5] +3 b+1,F~D ws4 d+2,F~df+2,3 S! d+2,F~4 (44 dmg)

[6] whiff at tip range

[7] 2,2 works as an OS if you neutral guard instead of holding back, but this will whiff if she cancels the string and you're holding back.

[8] t a true punish since Xiaoyu can parry it with BT.1+4, but works in all situations otherwise. With conditioning, BT.1+4 can be baited and whiff punished. ub+4 whiffs at tip range.

[9] Xiaoyu can evade by holding DB

[10] tigated by not pressing anything - causes 3rd and 5th hit to whiff (for a total of 51 dmg) and allowing for a BT.3_4 punish

[11] 4,4,4 in the back gives a 50/50 between 4,4,4,4,4 and 4,4,4,F~4 (or ~df+2,3). This doesn't work directly at the wall since the first 4 turns them around. Useful near the wall since every option splats or bounces. 4,4,4,4,4 always bounces, but HAR.4 doesn't bounce if they're BT. If you get a reverse splat, then f,F+3 OTG.d+3+4 is good damage.

[12] ,F+3 (and HAR.uf+3) only spikes face-up opponents. Face-down opponents can tech roll to avoid any guaranteed hits.

[13] 4 is hard to punish because of its extensions, and many chars can't block punish it at tip range.

[duckable-14] 14.0 ^14.1 ^14.2 Duckable high.

[15] 3,3,3,3,3 (and ws3,3,3,3,3) can be hit confirmed to be safe by doing 3,3,3,F when the first hit is blocked.

[rage-punisher-16] 16.0 ^16.1 Rage punisher

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 {{Infobox tricky moves
+|slide=ws4, ...<ref name="slide">ws4 d+2,F~d ws4 d+2,F~df+2,3 S! d+2,F~4 (52)</ref>
+|generic-a=2,2
+|alisa-a={{Plainlist|
+* f,F+4<ref name="tailspin-punish">KND punish without extension, instant tailspin with extension)</ref>
+* dash uf+3 ...<ref name="uf3">Launch punish without extension, KND with extension</ref>
+}}
+|alisa-b={{Plainlist|
+* df+2,4<ref name="tailspin-punish"></ref>
+* b+4,1+2 ub+4<ref>confirm ub+4 only if Alisa continues the string</ref>
+* uf+4,4}}
 |asuka-a=ub+4
+|claudio-a=f,F+2,4, [[Katarina combos#Staples|...]] ''(deep dash)''
+|devil-jin-a=uf+3<ref name="uf3"></ref>
+|devil-jin-b=3,3,3,3,3
+|eddy-a=uf+3, [[Katarina combos#Staples|...]]
+|eddy-b=df+1, ...
 |heihachi-a=ub+4
+|jack-7-a=dash uf+3, [[Katarina combos#Staples|...]]
+|jack-7-b=ub+4<ref>can whiff at tip range</ref>
+|king-a={{Plainlist|
+* ub+4
+* cc d+3 ... ''(hard)''<ref>cc d+3 b+1,F~D ws4 d+2,F~df+2,3 S! d+2,F~4 (44 dmg)</ref>}}
+|law-a=df+1,1
+|leroy-a=''(None)''
+|lucky-chloe-a=''(None)''<ref>2,2 works as an OS if you neutral guard instead of holding back, but this will whiff if she cancels the string and you're holding back.</ref>
 |paul-a=ub+4
+|xiaoyu-a=''ub+4''<ref>not a true punish since Xiaoyu can parry it with BT.1+4, but works in all situations otherwise. With conditioning, BT.1+4 can be baited and whiff punished. ub+4 whiffs at tip range.</ref>
+|xiaoyu-b=1,1,3 ub+4
+|xiaoyu-c={{Plainlist|
+* cc df+1 ...
+* cc b+1 ...
+* ws4 ... ''(inconsistent)''
+}}
 }}
+{{Navbox punishers (Tekken 7)}}
 {| class="punishers"
@@ Line 19: / Line 50: @@
 | -12 || 2,2 || 30 || +10g
 |-
-| -14 || 3,3,3,3,3 || 38 || +4c
+| rowspan="2" | -14
+| 3,3,3,3,3 || 38 || +4c
+|-
+| 3,4 || 29 || KND
 |-
 | colspan="4" class="table-cat" | Crouching
@@ Line 42: / Line 76: @@
 | colspan="4" class="table-cat" | Back-turned opponent
 |-
-| -10 || 1,1,4 || 38 ([[Katarina combos#Back-turned opponent|?]]) || +24a (+14)
+| rowspan="4" | -10
+|-
+| 1,1,3 ub+4 || 55 || +8a (-9)
+|-
+| 1,1,2 3,4<ref>Xiaoyu can evade by holding DB</ref> || 63 || +16a (+7)
+|-
+| 1,1,2 3,3,3,3,3<ref>can be mitigated by not pressing anything - causes 3rd and 5th hit to whiff (for a total of 51 dmg) and allowing for a BT.3_4 punish</ref> || 72 || +4c
+|-
+| -11 || 4,4,4 || 42 || Mixup<ref>4,4,4 in the back gives a 50/50 between 4,4,4,4,4 and 4,4,4,F~4 (or ~df+2,3). This doesn't work directly at the wall since the first 4 turns them around. Useful near the wall since every option splats or bounces. 4,4,4,4,4 always bounces, but HAR.4 doesn't bounce if they're BT. If you get a reverse splat, then f,F+3 OTG.d+3+4 is good damage.</ref>
+|-
+| -14 || b+1,F HAR.df+1+2 || 65 || +0d
 |-
 | colspan="4" class="table-cat" | Grounded opponent
@@ Line 51: / Line 95: @@
 | d+3 || 9 || +0a (-8)
 |-
-| -25 || f,F+3 || 16 ([[Katarina combos#Mini-combos|32]]) || +12d<ref>f,F+3 (and HAR.uf+3) only spikes against face-up opponents. Face-down opponents can [[tech roll]] to avoid any guaranteed hits.</ref>
+| -25 || f,F+3 || 16 ([[Katarina combos#Mini-combos|32]]) || +12d<ref>f,F+3 (and HAR.uf+3) only [[spike]]s face-up opponents. Face-down opponents can [[tech roll]] to avoid any guaranteed hits.</ref>
 |-
 | -26 || OTG.d+3+4 || 22 || -1a (-9)
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 | rowspan="2" | Mid
 |-
-| ws3,3,3,3,3
+| ws3,3,3,3,3<ref name="rage-punisher">[[Rage#Rage_Punisher|Rage punisher]]</ref>
 | 41
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 | ub+4 || i16 || 2.92 || 23 || -14 || Mid
 |-
-| b+4,1+2 || i17 || 2.48 || 37 ([[Katarina combos#Mini-combos|55]]) || +1/-32<ref name="duckable"/> || Mid
+| b+4,1+2<ref name="rage-punisher" /> || i17 || 2.48 || 37 ([[Katarina combos#Mini-combos|55]]) || +1/-32<ref name="duckable"/> || Mid
 |-
 | df+2,2 || i17 || 2.61 || 38 || -10 || Mid