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There are two '''guard''' levels: standing guard, done by holding B; and [[crouch]]ing guard, done by holding D or DB. | |||
There are three basic [[attack]] types: highs, mids, and lows. Highs are blocked by standing guard and [[crush]]ed by crouching guard. Mids are blocked by standing guard, and lows are blocked by crouching guard. Lows hit vs standing guard, and mids hit vs crouching guard. | |||
Mids are much stronger than lows—almost every low is [[punish]]able—so standing guard is the default defensive option. | Lows can also be [[low parry|parried]] with DF, leading to a [[juggle]], but this has to be timed with the low connecting. | ||
So to get past your opponent's guard, you have to use a combination of mids and lows. Mids are much stronger than lows—almost every low is [[punish]]able—so standing guard is the default defensive option. | |||
High attacks don't get past guard at all, so they're only useful for interrupting an opponent who isn't guarding. Standard [[throw]]s are highs that go through guard so they're most similar to lows. | |||
== Neutral guard == | == Neutral guard == | ||
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The amount of time it takes for neutral guard to activate depends on the animation you're in. For example, with [[Lee]] against a bot in [[training mode]] set to neutral guard after being hit: | The amount of time it takes for neutral guard to activate depends on the animation you're in. For example, with [[Lee]] against a bot in [[training mode]] set to neutral guard after being hit: | ||
* After | * After db+2 (+7), ws3 (i10) is blocked, implying it takes fewer than 3 frames. | ||
* After | * After db+3+4 (+4), 3 (i14) hits but df+2 (i15) is blocked, implying it takes 10 frames. | ||
* After d+2 (+8), f+3+4 (i30) hits, implying it takes more than 22 frames. | * After d+2 (+8), f+3+4 (i30) hits, implying it takes more than 22 frames. | ||
Neutral guard is immediate from crouch, standing guard, and any blockstun that doesn't [[guard break]]. | Neutral guard is immediate from crouch, standing guard, and any blockstun that doesn't [[guard break]]. | ||
There's no such thing as [[crouch]]ing neutral guard. There's no known difference between D and | There's no such thing as [[crouch]]ing neutral guard. There's no known difference between D and DB with respect to guard outside of a [[guardable recovery]], where sometimes DB blocks lows but D doesn't. | ||
== Guard break == | == Guard break == | ||
Some moves break guard when blocked. This doesn't damage any damage. It just stops the defender from guarding until they press B or | Some moves break guard when blocked. This doesn't damage any damage. It just stops the defender from guarding until they press B or DB again. | ||
In a few cases, such as [[Lidia]]'s HAE.1+2, this can lead to a [[combo]], but usually it just punishes someone relying on neutral guard. For example, the second attack of [[King]]'s | In a few cases, such as [[Lidia]]'s HAE.1+2, this can lead to a [[combo]], but usually it just punishes someone relying on neutral guard. For example, the second attack of [[King]]'s df+1,2 hits after the first is blocked unless the defender holds B. | ||
== Low parry == | == Low parry == | ||
Lows can be parried by pressing | Lows can be parried by pressing DF as the low connects. Parrying a low floats the opponent so that they can be [[juggle]]d for a full [[combo]]. This makes even the safest seeming lows very risky. | ||
Low parry state lasts for 20 frames when done from standing but only 10 frames when done from crouch. As such, if a defender wants to, for example, low parry after being hit by a move that forces crouch, they ought to [[crouch cancel]] first. | Low parry state lasts for 20 frames when done from standing but only 10 frames when done from crouch. As such, if a defender wants to, for example, low parry after being hit by a move that forces crouch, they ought to [[crouch cancel]] first. | ||
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As such, committing to a low parry by spamming | As such, committing to a low parry by spamming DF has somewhat of a hole in it. | ||
{{FrameTable|caption=Holding | {{FrameTable|caption=Holding DF for 10 frames each time| | ||
{{Frame|0|d|orange}} | {{Frame|0|d|orange}} | ||
{{Frame|1|d/f|teal}} | {{Frame|1|d/f|teal}} | ||
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}} | }} | ||
{{FrameTable|caption=Holding | {{FrameTable|caption=Holding DF for 12 frames each time| | ||
{{Frame|0|d|orange}} | {{Frame|0|d|orange}} | ||
{{Frame|1|d/f|teal}} | {{Frame|1|d/f|teal}} | ||
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}} | }} | ||
{{FrameTable|caption=Holding | {{FrameTable|caption=Holding DF for 14 frames each time| | ||
{{Frame|0|d|orange}} | {{Frame|0|d|orange}} | ||
{{Frame|1|d/f|teal}} | {{Frame|1|d/f|teal}} | ||
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If you don't go straight from | If you don't go straight from DF to n and instead have some time at f then that's extra time where you're not guarding at all. | ||
=== Slower than crouching guard? === | === Slower than crouching guard? === | ||
There's a myth that low parry is slower than | There's a myth that low parry is slower than crouching guard. This myth arises because it's not possible to low parry during a [[guardable recovery]]. For example, during the last 12 frames of a [[tech roll]] the defender can block lows but not parry them. Since blocking works in this situation but parrying doesn't, uninformed players assume low parry is slower. | ||
== Guardable recovery == | == Guardable recovery == | ||
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* After blocking or being hit by an attack in a [[string]]. | * After blocking or being hit by an attack in a [[string]]. | ||
Blocking lows with D on its own sometimes doesn't work here; only DB is reliable. For example, after blocking the first hit of [[Feng]]'s 3~4,3, DB will block and DF will low parry, but D on its own gets hit by the low. | |||
For moves that are concerned with whether or not the defender is crouching, holding D or DB doesn't put you into crouch. This is notable against [[Law]], whose b+2,1 is +16g, and he gets a launch with df+2 against an opponent holding DB. | |||
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Latest revision as of 15:50, 7 July 2022
There are two guard levels: standing guard, done by holding B; and crouching guard, done by holding D or DB.
There are three basic attack types: highs, mids, and lows. Highs are blocked by standing guard and crushed by crouching guard. Mids are blocked by standing guard, and lows are blocked by crouching guard. Lows hit vs standing guard, and mids hit vs crouching guard.
Lows can also be parried with DF, leading to a juggle, but this has to be timed with the low connecting.
So to get past your opponent's guard, you have to use a combination of mids and lows. Mids are much stronger than lows—almost every low is punishable—so standing guard is the default defensive option.
High attacks don't get past guard at all, so they're only useful for interrupting an opponent who isn't guarding. Standard throws are highs that go through guard so they're most similar to lows.
Neutral guard
If you don't do anything, you'll automatically block moves as if you were doing standing guard. This is known as neutral guard.
Neutral guard results in less pushback than standing guard. This reduction in pushback is so tiny that it's almost always insignificant. However, there are a few moves where it matters, the most notorious being Heihachi's f,F+2, which is much easier to punish after a neutral guard.
The amount of time it takes for neutral guard to activate depends on the animation you're in. For example, with Lee against a bot in training mode set to neutral guard after being hit:
- After db+2 (+7), ws3 (i10) is blocked, implying it takes fewer than 3 frames.
- After db+3+4 (+4), 3 (i14) hits but df+2 (i15) is blocked, implying it takes 10 frames.
- After d+2 (+8), f+3+4 (i30) hits, implying it takes more than 22 frames.
Neutral guard is immediate from crouch, standing guard, and any blockstun that doesn't guard break.
There's no such thing as crouching neutral guard. There's no known difference between D and DB with respect to guard outside of a guardable recovery, where sometimes DB blocks lows but D doesn't.
Guard break
Some moves break guard when blocked. This doesn't damage any damage. It just stops the defender from guarding until they press B or DB again.
In a few cases, such as Lidia's HAE.1+2, this can lead to a combo, but usually it just punishes someone relying on neutral guard. For example, the second attack of King's df+1,2 hits after the first is blocked unless the defender holds B.
Low parry
Lows can be parried by pressing DF as the low connects. Parrying a low floats the opponent so that they can be juggled for a full combo. This makes even the safest seeming lows very risky.
Low parry state lasts for 20 frames when done from standing but only 10 frames when done from crouch. As such, if a defender wants to, for example, low parry after being hit by a move that forces crouch, they ought to crouch cancel first.
| Standing | |
| No guard | |
| Full crouch | |
| Low parry |
When shifting from crouch to standing without a crouch cancel, the interaction with this window is similar to while standing where there is a lingering crouch. The low parry state lasts 10 frames plus however many frames D was released for.
| No guard | |
| Full crouch | |
| Low parry | |
| Neutral guard |
As such, committing to a low parry by spamming DF has somewhat of a hole in it.
If you don't go straight from DF to n and instead have some time at f then that's extra time where you're not guarding at all.
Slower than crouching guard?
There's a myth that low parry is slower than crouching guard. This myth arises because it's not possible to low parry during a guardable recovery. For example, during the last 12 frames of a tech roll the defender can block lows but not parry them. Since blocking works in this situation but parrying doesn't, uninformed players assume low parry is slower.
Guardable recovery
There are many situations where it's possible to guard but not do anything else (such as low parry). This is because you haven't actually recovered yet, but the recovery permits guarding. Some examples:
- During the recovery of quickstand, b getup, and most tech recoveries.
- The hitstun of moves with a ballerina spin animation, such as Lee's ws2,4.
- After blocking or being hit by an attack in a string.
Blocking lows with D on its own sometimes doesn't work here; only DB is reliable. For example, after blocking the first hit of Feng's 3~4,3, DB will block and DF will low parry, but D on its own gets hit by the low.
For moves that are concerned with whether or not the defender is crouching, holding D or DB doesn't put you into crouch. This is notable against Law, whose b+2,1 is +16g, and he gets a launch with df+2 against an opponent holding DB.
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