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Devil Jin

Heat	Allows Annihilation Beam followups after certain moves Can perform EWGF without perfect input
Heat Smash	H.2+3 mid - i18-28 - +11 (MCR) H.MCR.2+3 throw - i20
Heat Engagers	b+2,3 b+3 uf+4 f,F+2 MCR.2,2
Stances	FLY – 3+4 CD (Crouch Dash) – f,n,d,df MCR (Mourning Crow) – f+3
Fastest
Launch	i11(~14) – f,n,d,df#2 (hard) i15 – d+3+4 (standing) i15 – ws2 (crouching)
CH launch	i17 – b+4 (mid) i21 – db+2 (low)
Wall splat	i12 – b+1,2 (high) i13 – df+1,2 (mid)
Archetypal moves
Mid check	df+4 – (standing) df+1 – (standing) ws4 – (crouching)
Power low	f,n,d,df+4,1+2
Shadow cutter	db+2
Slash kick	f,f,F+3
Generic moves
Remapped	(none)
Missing	d+1
External links
Lore	Devil Jin
Twitter	#T8_DevilJin
Discord	Devil Jin

This page is for Tekken 8. For Tekken 7, see Devil Jin (Tekken 7).

Devil Jin is a versatile, Mishima-style character with many gap-closing tools, excellent Okizeme, a complete throw game, good block and whiff punishment tools, good wall pressure, and great combo damage. He benefits heavily from Mishima-fundamental skills and reading the opponent. Devil Jin can be played aggressively in the opponent's face at all times thanks to his wavedash mixup, or more defensively with his wide array of whiff punishers. A well-timed read on a downed opponent can lead to extreme levels of damage from Okizeme.

Devil Jin's weaknesses are with his poor generic tools - his jab has poor range, and his df+1 is quite bad on block. He is the most demanding Mishima from an execution standpoint. You need to learn iWS2 (Alaya) to have a functional wave dash mixup, and you need to take advantage of a trick with WS3 (Organ Wrecker) in order to get good damage with his combos. He also lacks any power lows outside of his Hellsweep, meaning a patient opponent can often counter Devil Jin by just holding back.

Strengths

Mishima: Access to the standard Mishima toolkit, including the EWGF (cd2), Flash Punch Combo (1,1,2), Hellsweep (cd4), and Demon Paw (f,F+2).
Demon's Spear (db+1+2): Devil's Jin's best unique move. It is a chargeable mid that Guard Breaks on full charge for a guaranteed Flash Punch Combo, but also Wall Crushes on a partial charge giving Devil Jin's well above average wall pressure.
Okizeme: Great Okizeme with Demon's Steel Pedal (b+4), Hellfire Incinerator (d+1+2), the previously mentioned Demon's Spear (db+1+2), which can catch rolls, but also be cancelled into Mourning Crow for Venomous Torment (MCR.3), a safe 26 damage if they stay on the ground.
Block Punishing & Panic Tools: Compared with Kazuya, he has access to a better Power Crush with Corpse Thrust (d+1), another functional panic tool in Imperial Wrath (b+1+3 or b+2+4), an easy standing normal hit 15f launcher with Double Lift Kicks (d+3+4), and has more moves that either high or low crush.
Fast Approach: Between Demon's Shaft (f,F+4), Demon's Tail (cd3), Hisou (uf+3+4), Leaping Side Kick (f,f,F+3), and the entire Mourning Crow stance, Devil Jin does not lack in options to get to his opponent.
Complete Throw Game: Has access to a complete set of command throws (1,2, & 1+2 break).

Weaknesses

Limited Lows: Lacks notable lows outside of his Hellsweep, meaning there is typically very little reason to crouch against him.
Iffy Generic Tools: Generally limited generic tools, including having potentially the worst 13f df+1 (Dark Twin Lancer) in the game, but one he must use anyways.
Mediocre Mids: While Devil Jin has many great highs, his mids are generally lackluster and any that seem good are horrifically negative on block. If Devil Jin finishes any string odds are he is launch punishable.
Can't Deal with Gray Health: Most of Devil Jin's damage comes from combos. This means opponents are typically left with vast amounts of recoverable health, and he lacks the ability to easily remove that health unlike Nina, Dragunov, Kuma, etc.
Unsafe Stance: Unless entered with a hit uf+1 (Infernal Shackle) or a CH df+2 (Bloody Glaive) Mourning Crow stance is easily beaten by standing opponents with Power Crushes or Devil Jin can be floated out of it with jabs, leading to a full combo.
Gimmicky: Devil Jin's Tekken 8 additions are mostly gimmicky, and the more knowledgeable the opponent the worse they get. High level Devil Jin play often boils down to just whiff punishing with EWGF, block punishing with Flash Punch Combo, and otherwise using the Mishima wave dash to alternate between the Hellsweep and WS2 (Alaya), which is -12 on block and tricky to pull off out of a wavedash.
Loses to Patience: As long as opponents hold back, can break the occasional throw, and sometimes block a Hellsweep, Devil Jin has a very limited ability to open them up and relies on reads more than maybe any other character.

Key techniques

Wave dash

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EWGF in neutral

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iWS from crouch dash

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-15 EWGF block punish

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-* i14 - f, n, d, d/f#2 ''(hard)''
+* i11(~14) &ndash; f,n,d,df#2 ''(hard)''
-* i15 - d+3+4 ''(standing)''
+* i15 &ndash; d+3+4 ''(standing)''
-* i15 - ws2 ''(crouching)''
+* i15 &ndash; ws2 ''(crouching)''
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+* i17 &ndash; b+4 ''(mid)''
+* i21 &ndash; db+2 ''(low)''
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+* i12 &ndash; b+1,2 ''(high)''
+* i13 &ndash; df+1,2 ''(mid)''
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+* df+4 &ndash; ''(standing)''
+* df+1 &ndash; ''(standing)''
+* ws4 &ndash; ''(crouching)''
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 {{See other}}
-'''Devil Jin''' is one of the most reworked legacy characters in Tekken 8, retaining his usual Mishima tool kit with moves like 1,1,2, EWGF, f,n,d,DF+4 (flash punch, electric and hellsweep, respectively) but he's also been granted the Mourning Crow (MCR) stance, which gives him another, extremely strong approach option along with his traditional Mishima wavedash.
+'''Devil Jin''' is a versatile, Mishima-style character with many gap-closing tools, excellent Okizeme, a complete throw game, good block and whiff punishment tools, good wall pressure, and great combo damage. He benefits heavily from Mishima-fundamental skills and reading the opponent. Devil Jin can be played aggressively in the opponent's face at all times thanks to his wavedash mixup, or more defensively with his wide array of whiff punishers. A well-timed read on a downed opponent can lead to extreme levels of damage from Okizeme.
-MCR.1 is a power mid that combos into b+4 on hit, and is +8 on block, giving him an incredible approach option that he can mixup with MCR.2,2 if his opponent likes to step, which is a Heat Engager on hit, and MCR.3 is a special mid, counter hit launcher that hits grounded and is safe on block. Mourning Crow is an absolutely incredible approach option and forces Devil Jin's opponent to play around it very carefully to avoid being constantly oppressed.
-uf+1, or Shackle, is a fairly fast, extremely long range high poke that natural hit combos into MCR.2,2 and obliterates attempts at keepout gameplay. While it is duckable, Devil Jin can mix this up by using f,F+4, a similarly long range mid that knocks down on hit and launches on counter hit. Shackle, alongside MCR and the usual Mishima wavedash, makes it functionally impossible to keep Devil Jin from blatantly rushing his opponent down.
-Devil Jin, as with almost all Mishima style characters, has a high execution barrier, and getting the most out of him can require quite a bit of practice, much more than most characters. While he certainly isn't suffering, his mid keepout can be a little anemic, as his generic df+1 has somewhat poor range, but his f,F+2 mostly makes up for this, being a safe, mid Heat Engager that's only marginally slower than a traditional df+1.
+Devil Jin's weaknesses are with his poor generic tools - his jab has poor range, and his df+1 is quite bad on block. He is the most demanding  Mishima from an execution standpoint. You need to learn iWS2 (Alaya) to have a functional [[wave dash]] mixup, and you need to take advantage of a trick with WS3 (Organ Wrecker) in order to get good damage with his combos. He also lacks any power lows outside of his Hellsweep, meaning a patient opponent can often counter Devil Jin by just holding back.
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-* '''Mishima''': Has all the standard Mishima benefits, including EWGF, hellsweep, and wave dash. As usual, this makes Devil Jin a versatile and strong character with many effective tools.
+* '''[[Mishima]]''': Access to the standard Mishima toolkit, including the [[EWGF]] (cd2), Flash Punch Combo (1,1,2), [[Standard_move#Hellsweep|Hellsweep]] (cd4), and Demon Paw (f,F+2).
-* '''Mourning Crow''': DJ's new stance gives him great mixup and pressure potential, especially when combined with uf1 and EWGF.
+* '''Demon's Spear (db+1+2)''': Devil's Jin's best unique move. It is a chargeable mid that Guard Breaks on full charge for a guaranteed Flash Punch Combo, but also Wall Crushes on a partial charge giving Devil Jin's well above average wall pressure.
-* '''Excellent Pressure''': EWGF, some great pressure strings, and the threat of Mourning Crow all stack together to give Devil Jin very strong pressure.
+* '''Okizeme''': Great Okizeme with Demon's Steel Pedal (b+4), Hellfire Incinerator (d+1+2), the previously mentioned Demon's Spear (db+1+2), which can catch rolls, but also be cancelled into Mourning Crow for Venomous Torment (MCR.3), a safe 26 damage if they stay on the ground.
-* '''Devastating Punishment''': Devil Jin has very high damage potential when optimized properly, and his punishment game is unreal. Corner-to-corner wallcarry into further mixups are a given when played effectively.
+* '''Block Punishing & Panic Tools''': Compared with Kazuya, he has access to a better Power Crush with Corpse Thrust (d+1), another functional panic tool in Imperial Wrath (b+1+3 or b+2+4), an easy standing normal hit 15f launcher with Double Lift Kicks (d+3+4), and has more moves that either high or low crush.
-* '''The Best Hellsweep''': Devil Jin's hellsweep is notable in that it gives him a '''full combo on hit''', giving him absurd damage potential. In Heat, the launch no longer consumes tornado, allowing Devil Jin to get possibly the highest reward off of a low in the entire game.
+* '''Fast Approach''': Between Demon's Shaft (f,F+4), Demon's Tail (cd3), Hisou (uf+3+4), Leaping Side Kick (f,f,F+3), and the entire Mourning Crow stance, Devil Jin does not lack in options to get to his opponent.
+* '''Complete Throw Game''': Has access to a complete set of command throws (1,2, & 1+2 break).
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-* '''Bad Generics''': Devil Jin lacks effective generic tools for keeping people out, like df1 and df2.
+* '''Limited Lows''': Lacks notable lows outside of his Hellsweep, meaning there is typically very little reason to crouch against him.
-* '''Unsafe Mids''': Notably, Devil Jin lacks any safe, launching mid tools. All of his mids are heat engagers, only lead to combos on counterhit, or are very unsafe.
+* '''Iffy Generic Tools''': Generally limited generic tools, including having potentially the worst 13f df+1 (Dark Twin Lancer) in the game, but one he must use anyways.
-* '''Must Hellsweep''': Due to a lack of powerful lows, Devil Jin is mostly centralized around using Hellsweep to get any real damage. This makes his gameplay both predictable and very risky, as Hellsweep can be heavily punished if it is blocked.
+* '''Mediocre Mids''': While Devil Jin has many great highs, his mids are generally lackluster and any that seem good are horrifically negative on block. If Devil Jin finishes any string odds are he is launch punishable.
+* '''Can't Deal with Gray Health''': Most of Devil Jin's damage comes from combos. This means opponents are typically left with vast amounts of recoverable health, and he lacks the ability to easily remove that health unlike Nina, Dragunov, Kuma, etc.
+* '''Unsafe Stance''': Unless entered with a hit uf+1 (Infernal Shackle) or a CH df+2 (Bloody Glaive) Mourning Crow stance is easily beaten by standing opponents with Power Crushes or Devil Jin can be floated out of it with jabs, leading to a full combo.
+* '''Gimmicky''': Devil Jin's Tekken 8 additions are mostly gimmicky, and the more knowledgeable the opponent the worse they get. High level Devil Jin play often boils down to just whiff punishing with EWGF, block punishing with Flash Punch Combo, and otherwise using the Mishima wave dash to alternate between the Hellsweep and WS2 (Alaya), which is -12 on block and tricky to pull off out of a wavedash.
+* '''Loses to Patience''': As long as opponents hold back, can break the occasional throw, and sometimes block a Hellsweep, Devil Jin has a very limited ability to open them up and relies on reads more than maybe any other character.
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-== External links ==
-* [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMELcBN1Y7Y& Explaining iWS3 tech]
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