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{{Infobox tricky moves
{{Infobox tricky moves
|slide={{Plainlist|
|slide=uf+4
* uf+4
|generic-a=2,2 ''(can whiff)''
* ws4
}}
|generic-a=1,2,4
|alisa-a={{Plainlist|
|alisa-a={{Plainlist|
* f1+2
* f+1+2
* df1,2<ref name="stance">Holding the 2 button will allow you to transition into stance.</ref>
* df+1,2<ref name="stance">Holding the 2 button will allow you to transition into stance.</ref>
* f,F+3,2<ref name="float">React and finish the string if she lands, float with f,F+3 into b+1,2 to float combo if she's flying.</ref>
* f,F+3,2<ref name="float">React and finish the string if she lands, float with f,F+3 into b+1,2 to float combo if she's flying.</ref>
}}
}}
|alisa-b=df+4,2<ref name="stance"></ref><ref name="plus">This string is +10 if you enter stance.</ref>
|alisa-b=df+4,2<ref name="stance"></ref><ref name="plus">This string is +10 if you enter stance.</ref>
|king-a=cc f+3<ref name="can float">Can still hit grounded if you miss the float combo punish.</ref>
|king-a={{Plainlist|
* cc [[Negan combos#Float|f+3]]<ref>Still hits grounded if you miss the float.</ref>
* cc b+1+2}}
|asuka-a={{Plainlist|
|asuka-a={{Plainlist|
* f+3,2
* f+3,2
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* 1+2
* 1+2
* df+4,2<ref name="stance"></ref><ref name="plus"></ref>
* df+4,2<ref name="stance"></ref><ref name="plus"></ref>
* qcf1
* qcf+1
}}
}}
|eddy-a=ws2<ref name="stance"></ref>
|eddy-a=ws2<ref name="stance"></ref>
|eddy-b=d+4
|eddy-b={{Plainlist|
|heihachi-a=qcf1 ''(can whiff)''
* b+1+2
* uf+4<ref>Floats or crumples him if he does anything stupid.</ref>}}
|heihachi-a=qcf+1 ''(can whiff)''
|jack-7-a={{Plainlist|
|jack-7-a={{Plainlist|
* f,F+4
* f,F+4
* f,F+1+2
* f,F+1+2
* (deep dash) RD ''(all variants)''
* f,f R.b+2+3 ''(deep dash)''
}}
}}
|jack-7-b={{Plainlist|
|jack-7-b={{Plainlist|
* f+3,2
* f+3,2 ''(can whiff)''
* qcf+1
* qcf+1 ''(can whiff)''
}}
}}
|law-a=df+1,2<ref name="stance"></ref>
|law-a=df+1,2<ref name="stance"></ref>
|leroy-a=''(None)''
|leroy-a=''(None)''
|lucky-chloe-a=df+1 ''(can whiff)''
|lucky-chloe-a=[[Negan combos#Float|df+1]] ''(can whiff)''
|paul-a={{Plainlist|
|paul-a={{Plainlist|
* b+2 ''(can whiff)''
* b+2 ''(can whiff)''
* qcf+1 ''(can whiff)''
* qcf+1 ''(can whiff)''
}}
}}
|xiaoyu-a=''(None)''
|xiaoyu-a=f,F+2
|xiaoyu-b={{Plainlist|
|xiaoyu-b=1,2,2
* 1,2,2
|xiaoyu-c=uf+4
* 2,2,2,2
* df+2<ref name="stance"></ref>
* qcf+1
}}
|xiaoyu-c={{Plainlist|
* cc f+3
* uf+4
* ws3
}}
 
}}
}}
{{Navbox punishers}}
{{Navbox punishers}}
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! Enemy !! Move !! Damage !! [[Movelist#Hit|Frames]]
! Enemy !! Move !! Damage !! [[Movelist#Hit|Frames]]
|-
|-
| rowspan="2" | -10
| -10 || 1,2,4 || 29 || +1
| 1,2<ref name="stance"></ref> || 16 || +6
|-
| 1,2,4 || 29 || +1
|-
| rowspan="2" | -11
| 2,1 || 21 || +4
|-
|  2,2 || 26 || +1
|-
| rowspan="2" | -13
| 1+2 || 38 || +8a (-1)
|-
| df+1,2<ref name="stance"></ref> || 33 || +7
|-
|-
| rowspan="2" | -14
| -13 || 1+2 || 38 || +8a (-1)
| df+4,2<ref name="stance"></ref> || 35 || +6<ref name="plus"></ref>
|-
|-
| qcf+1 || 25 || +14
| -14 || qcf+1 || 25 ([[Negan combos#Mini-combos|45]]) || +14a
|-
|-
| -15 || df+2<ref name="stance"></ref> || 12 || +30a (+20)
| -15 || df+2<ref name="stance"></ref> || 12 || +30a (+20)
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| colspan="4" class="table-cat" | Crouching
| colspan="4" class="table-cat" | Crouching
|-
|-
| -10 || d+1 || 5 || +6
| -10 || hFC.1 || 5 || +6
|-
|-
| -11 || ws4 || 18 || +6
| -11 || ws4 || 18 || +6
|-
|-
| -12 || ws1,2<ref name="stance"></ref> || 31 || +7
| -12 || ws1,2<ref name="stance"/> || 31 || +7
|-
|-
| -14 || ws3,2 || 33 || +25a (+10)
| -14 || ws3,2 || 33 || +25a (+10)
|-
|-
| -15 || ws2<ref name="stance"></ref> || 20 || +51
| -15 || ws2<ref name="stance"></ref> || 20 ([[Negan combos#Staples|?]]) || +51a
|-
| -23 || uf,n,4 || 25 ([[Negan combos#Staples|?]]) || +34a (+24)
|-
|-
| colspan="4" class="table-cat" | Back-turned opponent
| colspan="4" class="table-cat" | Back-turned opponent
|-
|-
| rowspan="4" | -10
| rowspan="2" | -10
| 1,1,2 || 33 || +5
| 1,2,2<ref name="escape">Sequence can be escaped by using [[Akuma]]'s Teleport and EX DP, [[Geese]]'s Raging Storm and [[Master Raven]]'s Parry.</ref> || 38 ([[Negan combos#Back-turned opponent|?]]) || +52a
|-
| 1,2,2<ref name="escape">Sequence can be escaped by using [[Akuma]]'s Teleport and EX DP, [[Geese]]'s Raging Storm and [[Master Raven]]'s Parry.</ref> || 38 || +52
|-
| 1,2,4 || 29 || +1
|-
| 1,4,2 || 44 || +7
|-
| rowspan="2" | -11
| 2,1,4 || 36 || +3
|-
| 2,2,2,2 || 63 || +2
|-
|-
| rowspan="2" | -12
| 1,4,2 || 44 || +7bc
| 4,2 || 37 || +7
|-
|-
| uf+1+2 || 50 || 0
| -11
| 2,2,2,2 || 63 || +2d<ref>Free damage with db+3 or go for big oki potential. If slightly off-axis, 2,2,2,2 in back will give normal knockdown.</ref>
|-
|-
| -13 || df+1,2,2<ref name="escape"></ref> || 38 || +52
| -14 || df+4,2* || 35 || +10b INT<ref>Free INT.1,2 or launcher mixup between INT.df+2 and INT.1+2.</ref>
|-
| rowspan="2" | -14
| qcf+1 || 25 || +14  
|-
| df+4,2<ref name="stance"></ref> || 35 || +6<ref name="plus"></ref>
|-
| rowspan="3" | -15
| df+2<ref name="stance"></ref> || 12 || +30a (+20)
|-
| df+3,1,2<ref name="stance"></ref> || 45 || +4
|-
| df+3,1,4 || 48 || +8a (-1)
|-
|-
| colspan="4" class="table-cat" | Grounded opponent
| colspan="4" class="table-cat" | Grounded opponent
|-
|-
| -15 || d+3 || 9 || -1 (-9)<ref name="minus">Adds an additional -2 to the tech frames if opponent is Face Down.</ref>
| -15 || d+3 || 9 || -1a (-9)<ref name="minus">Adds an additional -2 to the tech frames if opponent is Face Down.</ref>
|-
|-
| -16 || db+3 || 9 || -4 (-12)<ref name="minus"></ref>
| -16 || db+3 || 9 || -4a (-12)<ref name="minus"></ref>
|-
|-
| rowspan="2" | -18
| -18 || OTG.d+3+4 || 20 || +2a (-15)
| f+3 || 10 || +4 (-4)<ref name="minus"></ref>
|-
|-
| d+3+4|| 20 || +2 (-15)
| -20 || b+4 || 16 || +17a (+0)
|-
|-
| -20 || b+4 || 16 || +17 (0)
| -23 || b+3 || 17 || +0a (-8)<ref name="minus"></ref>
|-
| -23 || b+3 || 9 || 0 (-8)<ref name="minus"></ref>
|-
|-
| rowspan="4" | -24
| rowspan="4" | -24
| b+1+2 || 20 || -2 (-10)<ref name="minus"></ref>
| b+1+2 || 20 || -2a (-10)<ref name="minus"></ref>
|-
|-
| R.b2+3 || 15 || +35
| R.b+2+3 || 15 ([[Negan combos#Mini-combos|35]]) || +35d
|-
|-
| R.b2+3,F || 15 ||  
| R.b+2+3,F || 15 ||  
|-
|-
| R.b2+3,B || 15 || +61
| R.b+2+3,B || 15 ([[Negan combos#Rage|?]]) || +61a
|}
|}


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! Move !! Speed !! [[Movelist#Range|Range]] !! Damage !! Risk !! Hitbox
! Move !! Speed !! [[Movelist#Range|Range]] !! Damage !! Risk !! Hitbox
|-
|-
| 1,2,4 || i10 || 2.20 || 29 || -1 || High
| 1,2,4 || i10 || 2.23 || 29 || -1/-9/-30<ref>24 frame hit confirm.</ref><ref name="duckable">Duckable high</ref> || High
|-
|-
| 1+2 || i13 || 2.53 || 38 || -14 || High, Mid
| 1+2 || i13 || 2.53 || 38 || -14 || High<ref>Second hit is mid at i28.</ref>
|-
|-
| f+3,2 || i18 || 3.00 || 33 || -19 || Mid, Mid
| df+2 || i15 || 2.45 || 12 ([[Negan combos#Staples|?]]) || -14 || Mid
|-
|-
| f+1+2 || i24 || 3.19 || 21 || -15 || Mid
| f+3,2 || i18 || 3.00 || 33 || -19 || Mid
|-
|-
| df+2 || i15 || 2.45 || 12 || -14 || Mid
| f,F+3,2 || i18(~21+) || ~3.3 || 36 || -3/-20<ref name="hit confirm">17 frame hit confirm.</ref> || Mid
|-
|-
| f,F+3,2 || i18(~19) || 3.37 || 36 || -20<ref name="hit confirm">The last hit is extremely delayable making it easy to hit confirm.</ref> || Mid, Mid
| f,F+2 || i18(~21+) || ~3.3 || 22 || -9 || Mid
|-
|-
| f,F+2 || i18(~19) || 3.40 || 22 || -9 || Mid
| f+1+2 || i24 || 3.19 || 21 || -15 || Mid
|-
|-
| f,F+4 || i24(~25) || 4.30 || 23 || +4 || Mid
| f,F+4 || i24(~27+) || ~4.1 || 23 || +4 || Mid
|-
|-
| ws2 || i15 || 2.80 || 20 || -16 || Mid
| ws2 || i15 || 2.80 || 20 || -16 || Mid

Revision as of 11:21, 20 March 2023

Negan
Punishers for tricky moves
Various Slide uf+4
Generic FUFT.4 2,2 (can whiff)
Alisa
  • b+4,4
  • b+4,4,3+4~1
  • b+3+4
  • b+3+4,3+4
 df+4,2[1][3]
db+4
Asuka b+3
  • f+3,2
  • db+4
  • f,F+2
  • qcf+1
Claudio f+2,2
  • f,F+2
  • f,F+3,2
  • f,F+4
Devil Jin
  • u+4
  • u+4,U~n_1_2_3
R.f,n,d,df+4,3+4
Eddy 3~4 ws2[1]
b+3,3
Heihachi f,F+2 qcf+1 (can whiff)
Jack-7 R.b+1+2
  • f,F+4
  • f,F+1+2
  • f,f R.b+2+3 (deep dash)
d+1+2
  • f+3,2 (can whiff)
  • qcf+1 (can whiff)
Law db+3+4 df+1,2[1]
Leroy db+1+2 (None)
Lucky Chloe
  • BT.f+3+4,3+4
  • BT.f+3+4,3+4,3+4
 df+1 (can whiff)
Paul
  • d+4,2:1+2
  • qcf+2
  • b+2 (can whiff)
  • qcf+1 (can whiff)
Xiaoyu BT.3 f,F+2
BT.f+3+4,3+4 1,2,2
AOP.4~3 uf+4
Punishers (Tekken 8)
Standing
Enemy Move Damage Frames
-10 1,2,4 29 +1
-13 1+2 38 +8a (-1)
-14 qcf+1 25 (45) +14a
-15 df+2[1] 12 +30a (+20)
Crouching
-10 hFC.1 5 +6
-11 ws4 18 +6
-12 ws1,2[1] 31 +7
-14 ws3,2 33 +25a (+10)
-15 ws2[1] 20 (?) +51a
-23 uf,n,4 25 (?) +34a (+24)
Back-turned opponent
-10 1,2,2[7] 38 (?) +52a
1,4,2 44 +7bc
-11 2,2,2,2 63 +2d[8]
-14 df+4,2* 35 +10b INT[9]
Grounded opponent
-15 d+3 9 -1a (-9)[10]
-16 db+3 9 -4a (-12)[10]
-18 OTG.d+3+4 20 +2a (-15)
-20 b+4 16 +17a (+0)
-23 b+3 17 +0a (-8)[10]
-24 b+1+2 20 -2a (-10)[10]
R.b+2+3 15 (35) +35d
R.b+2+3,F 15
R.b+2+3,B 15 (?) +61a
Whiff punishers
Move Speed Range Damage Risk Hitbox
1,2,4 i10 2.23 29 -1/-9/-30[11][12] High
1+2 i13 2.53 38 -14 High[13]
df+2 i15 2.45 12 (?) -14 Mid
f+3,2 i18 3.00 33 -19 Mid
f,F+3,2 i18(~21+) ~3.3 36 -3/-20[14] Mid
f,F+2 i18(~21+) ~3.3 22 -9 Mid
f+1+2 i24 3.19 21 -15 Mid
f,F+4 i24(~27+) ~4.1 23 +4 Mid
ws2 i15 2.80 20 -16 Mid
  1. ↑ 1.0 1.1 1.2 1.3 1.4 1.5 1.6 1.7 1.8 Holding the 2 button will allow you to transition into stance.
  2. ↑ React and finish the string if she lands, float with f,F+3 into b+1,2 to float combo if she's flying.
  3. ↑ 3.0 3.1 This string is +10 if you enter stance.
  4. ↑ Still hits grounded if you miss the float.
  5. ↑ Do not go into stance if you want the float combo.
  6. ↑ Floats or crumples him if he does anything stupid.
  7. ↑ Sequence can be escaped by using Akuma's Teleport and EX DP, Geese's Raging Storm and Master Raven's Parry.
  8. ↑ Free damage with db+3 or go for big oki potential. If slightly off-axis, 2,2,2,2 in back will give normal knockdown.
  9. ↑ Free INT.1,2 or launcher mixup between INT.df+2 and INT.1+2.
  10. ↑ 10.0 10.1 10.2 10.3 Adds an additional -2 to the tech frames if opponent is Face Down.
  11. ↑ 24 frame hit confirm.
  12. ↑ Duckable high
  13. ↑ Second hit is mid at i28.
  14. ↑ 17 frame hit confirm.
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